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re: The Big 10 Has Been Inquiring About the CFP Selection Format
Posted on 1/7/19 at 10:53 am to AUCE05
Posted on 1/7/19 at 10:53 am to AUCE05
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This isn't about Bama. 18 Bama has earned their place in the playoffs. This is about establishing equal criteria so every program has the same requirements to make the post season. Not a glorified beauty contest.
Literally almost impossible. In practice, it is impossible. The only way there can be "equal criteria" where every program has the "same requirements" is to somehow force two teams to play the exact same schedule against the exact same teams in the exact same order (can't have a team facing an improved/worse opponent later in the season, right?) You seem to be under the impression that the committee is sitting around talking about teams like a group of 14 year old girls squealing about who the handsomest boy is. They're using all sorts of criteria, not to mention checking the computers (most of their rankings align heavily with the still-extant BCS rankings.) You're assuming that it's a "beauty contest" without defining what you mean by that, or proving that this is a reasonable description of what they are actually doing.
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Posted on 1/7/19 at 10:54 am to Nitro Express
I am staying on topic. "Four best teams" is a flawed metric. What you do in the regular season should control. You cant win your division, you shouldn't have the opportunity of playing for a title.
Posted on 1/7/19 at 10:55 am to randomways
I'm impressed that you took an undergrad philosophy elective, but that was an opinion. You don't need to like it.
Posted on 1/7/19 at 10:57 am to Cheese Grits
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the lone SEC guy (Manning)
Jeff Long was the Arkansas AD at the time, so he counts as an SEC guy.
Posted on 1/7/19 at 10:57 am to Nitro Express
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They've gotten it correct every year.
There is absolutely no fing way to know this.
In 2014, both a 1 loss TCU and 1 loss Baylor were not able to compete for the national title
In 2015, a 1 loss OSU who was defending national champion was sitting at home in favor of a 1 loss MSU. An injury to OSU's best player reported after the game was a huge reason why.
In 2016, IMO the only argument was between Washington and PSU, and PSU had 2 losses so I understand it
In 2017, a Bama team who played nobody got in without playing in a CCG game.
There are questions every year. There's no way to know if they got it correct or not. You also can't use game results after the fact to justify opinions one way or the other
I'm not saying they got the results right or wrong, but to make a statement that they unequivocally were correct is just uninformed
Posted on 1/7/19 at 10:58 am to skrayper
The AP wasn't used in the BCS following the 2003 season, I believe.
Posted on 1/7/19 at 10:58 am to skrayper
Further proof the B1G was over rated
#9 Michigan .7189
#11 Florida .5921
Gators waxed Harbaugh's over hyped arse
#12 Penn State .5142
#14 Kentucky .4480
Cats took out a favored (more than TD spread) Penn State
Also, pretty clear Central Florida was vastly overhyped
#7 Central Florida .7502
#10 Louisiana State .5591
Tigers won with a much depleted squad or if would have been a blowout
#9 Michigan .7189
#11 Florida .5921
Gators waxed Harbaugh's over hyped arse
#12 Penn State .5142
#14 Kentucky .4480
Cats took out a favored (more than TD spread) Penn State
Also, pretty clear Central Florida was vastly overhyped
#7 Central Florida .7502
#10 Louisiana State .5591
Tigers won with a much depleted squad or if would have been a blowout
Posted on 1/7/19 at 10:58 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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I'm impressed that you took an undergrad philosophy elective, but that was an opinion. You don't need to like it.
Um...okay? Just saying something is an opinion doesn't mean it can't be challenged.
Seriously?
Posted on 1/7/19 at 11:01 am to MeatPants
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Notre Dame already beat northwestern. At northwestern
And Ohio State put up 20+ more points on Michigan at home than Notre Dame at home and 20+ more points against Northwestern on a neutral field than Notre Dame
Your point?
Notre Dame skipping games specifically a conference title game against Clemson that would have knocked them out is ridiculous.
Posted on 1/7/19 at 11:02 am to AUCE05
No, you're not. Not only are you unable to truly answer my question, you're unable to be consistent with your own comments.
You've literally said,
Then,
BAMA didn't win their division in 2018, so you're talking out of both sides of your mouth and make no sense at all.
Plus, randomways has you pegged.
You've literally said,
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18 Bama has earned their place in the playoffs.
Then,
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You cant win your division, you shouldn't have the opportunity of playing for a title.
BAMA didn't win their division in 2018, so you're talking out of both sides of your mouth and make no sense at all.
Plus, randomways has you pegged.
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Posted on 1/7/19 at 11:05 am to Giant Leaf
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And Ohio State put up 20+ more points on Michigan at home than Notre Dame at home and 20+ more points against Northwestern on a neutral field than Notre Dame
Your point?
Notre Dame skipping games specifically a conference title game against Clemson that would have knocked them out is ridiculous.
Did Alabama deserve to be in the CFP last year? If so, why.
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Posted on 1/7/19 at 11:06 am to Nitro Express
18/19 bama did win their division.
Posted on 1/7/19 at 11:07 am to randomways
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Jeff Long was the Arkansas AD at the time, so he counts as an SEC guy.
You can say that but look where he spent most of his life. It was not in the SEC.
Long was born in Ohio
Played QB in Ohio
Went to college in Ohio
Had his first coaching job in Ohio
Coached at Michigan
Assistant AD at Michigan
Married a woman from Ann Arbor (home of Michigan)
If he is in his mid to late 50's then his formative years were spent in the B1G
Posted on 1/7/19 at 11:07 am to lsufball19
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Did Alabama deserve to be in the CFP last year? If so, why.
Yes
Because there was no team with a comparable enough body of work across the number of games
Unlike Notre Dame this year having a team with a better sub set of the fewer number of games Notre Dame played
Posted on 1/7/19 at 11:09 am to randomways
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Just saying something is an opinion doesn't mean it can't be challenged.
Neat. Challenge away.
Just be correct if you're going to be an a-hole.
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Do they teach "begging the question" at Ohio State?
Posted on 1/7/19 at 11:09 am to randomways
You are debating a Bucknut.
Posted on 1/7/19 at 11:09 am to Giant Leaf
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Yes
Because there was no team with a comparable enough body of work across the number of games
So Alabama gets to skip a game but not Notre Dame? Or do the requirements change based on your own subjective opinion? If only they had like a group of people that would weigh the resumes of all the teams. Maybe like a committee or something...
This post was edited on 1/7/19 at 11:10 am
Posted on 1/7/19 at 11:12 am to AUCE05
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18/19 bama did win their division.
My fault. I am wrong. I apologize. I was stuck on 2017 BAMA.
So your argument is that in 2017 the committee got it wrong because BAMA didn't win their division or play for the SEC? Correct?
Posted on 1/7/19 at 11:12 am to Giant Leaf
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Because there was no team with a comparable enough body of work across the number of games
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Q: How big is the gap between Alabama and Ohio State?
Hocutt: “Reflecting on the discussions over the last two days, obviously there's three spots that separate them right there, but it's close separation from team No. 5, Alabama; 6, Georgia; 7, Miami; 8, Ohio State. Those teams are close. Very little separation in the committee's eyes between teams 5 through 8.”
The only thing that changed between Ohio State and Alabama is Ohio State beat the committee's undefeated #4 team while Alabama watched on TV from home.
Posted on 1/7/19 at 11:13 am to lsufball19
Alabama doesn't get to skip a game and get in if there is a team with a better season when only taking the number of games Alabama played
Yes
Yes
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