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re: The All-Time College Football Programs, per the AP (just released)

Posted on 8/2/16 at 4:06 pm to
Posted by CapstoneGrad06
Little Rock
Member since Nov 2008
72184 posts
Posted on 8/2/16 at 4:06 pm to
I'm not melting over not being #1, I'm melting over the methodology. Consistency is important, but more weight for weeks as #1 than finishing #1?
Posted by JCdawg
Member since Sep 2014
7807 posts
Posted on 8/2/16 at 4:09 pm to
quote:

I'm not melting over not being #1, I'm melting over the methodology. Consistency is important, but more weight for weeks as #1 than finishing #1?


And in my opinion, the last 30 or 40 years should count more than the previous 60. There is way more parity now, it is much harder to win, plus this is post integration.
Posted by LoneMDG
Birmingham
Member since Nov 2009
2747 posts
Posted on 8/2/16 at 5:01 pm to
Because why not waste time in excel:

Top 5 teams against the rest of the list: (wins-losses-ties)

Top 25's
ND 295-168-16 0.616 (479 games)
Alabama 294-184-20 0.590 (498 games)
OSUn 253-165-19 0.579 (437 games)
USC 211-148-20 0.557 (379 games)
OU 163-146-12 0.508 (321 games)

Top 15's
Alabama 207-133-19 0.577 (359 games)
ND 134-110-9 0.530 (253 games)
USC 84-75-9 0.500 (168 games)
OU 113-124-10 0.457 (247 games)
OSUn 86-103-8 0.437 (197 games)

Top 10's
ND 98-84-7 0.519 (189 games)
Alabama 43-37-3 0.518 (83 games)
USC 70-70-9 0.470 (149 games)
OU 104-118-10 0.448 (232 games)
OSUn 66-85-7 0.418 (158 games)

Against Each Other
ND 62-44-5 0.559 (111 games)
Alabama 11-11-1 0.478 (23 games)
USCw 56-62-7 0.448 (125 games)
OSUn 15-19-1 0.428 (35 games)
OU 8-17-2 0.296 (27 games)

Posted by nc14
La Jolla
Member since Jan 2012
28193 posts
Posted on 8/2/16 at 5:13 pm to
You have issues there.
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
42292 posts
Posted on 8/2/16 at 5:30 pm to
Meh. Still unoriginal.
Posted by IAmReality
Member since Oct 2012
12229 posts
Posted on 8/2/16 at 5:31 pm to
Their methodology is mostly ok, however it does seem to overrate simply being ranked somewhat.

Winning a championship is worth far more than just being vanilla ranked 10 weeks and in their system they are equivalent.

Likewise, being ranked #1 in the regular season (especially early in the season) isn't necessarily worth that much.

I agree with their basic premise but would tweak the values somewhat.

They went for simple and easy to understand, but I think you could get a better system if you were willing to interject a little more complexity.
This post was edited on 8/2/16 at 5:33 pm
Posted by TouchdownTony
Central Alabama
Member since Apr 2016
9684 posts
Posted on 8/2/16 at 5:58 pm to
Florida and fsu..IIIIIII don't know bout that.

That formula is sincerely skewed. That may be the worst methodology I've ever seen.
This post was edited on 8/2/16 at 6:00 pm
Posted by Bielema Dat
Jasper, Arkansas
Member since Sep 2015
101 posts
Posted on 8/2/16 at 6:00 pm to
Oregon @2?
:confused: :confused:
Posted by Bielema Dat
Jasper, Arkansas
Member since Sep 2015
101 posts
Posted on 8/2/16 at 6:00 pm to
Oregon @2?
:confused: :confused:
Posted by CapstoneGrad06
Little Rock
Member since Nov 2008
72184 posts
Posted on 8/2/16 at 6:10 pm to
Since 2010? Of course.
Posted by rockytop627
Member since Jan 2014
10041 posts
Posted on 8/2/16 at 6:12 pm to
Wow what a bullshite list
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34330 posts
Posted on 8/2/16 at 6:30 pm to
frick yeah top 20 bitches.
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68593 posts
Posted on 8/2/16 at 6:32 pm to
So I guess sabans title at LSU isnt counted.
Posted by CapstoneGrad06
Little Rock
Member since Nov 2008
72184 posts
Posted on 8/2/16 at 6:34 pm to
Nope. AP statistics only.
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68593 posts
Posted on 8/2/16 at 6:35 pm to
Crazy that Les and Dietzal are the only coaches at LSU to finish AP #1.
Posted by CapstoneGrad06
Little Rock
Member since Nov 2008
72184 posts
Posted on 8/2/16 at 6:38 pm to
I am interested in a coaches poll version now.
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
American southerner
Member since Nov 2013
35928 posts
Posted on 8/2/16 at 6:40 pm to
we lead the A&M series 41-28

list was done by crackhead
Posted by Old Money
Member since Sep 2012
36353 posts
Posted on 8/2/16 at 8:57 pm to
All that matters is AP poll ranking
This post was edited on 8/2/16 at 8:58 pm
Posted by Crimson Legend
Mount St Gumpus
Member since Nov 2004
15478 posts
Posted on 8/2/16 at 9:09 pm to
It shouldn't be a surprise that an AP list is based on AP rankings. It is an accurate list of teams with the most success/consistency at BEING RANKED.

I would rather my team be the national champions from 1992 (10 points) than be ranked #1 for 9 weekly polls and then get their arse kicked and finish third (18 points).
Posted by Dogfish
Member since Nov 2015
1248 posts
Posted on 8/3/16 at 5:01 am to


The list confirms is that out of the 7 or 8 blue bloods who are the top all time 5. Any metric picks the same 5 teams. The order is wrong. Alabama is clearly 1 which is quite an achievement as passing Notre Dame is the equivalent of passing Babe Ruth. The next four are in a battle for second and a good or bad 3-4 year run scrambles that order. Bama stay on top for the foreseeable future. Truth
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It shouldn't be a surprise that an AP list is based on AP rankings. It is an accurate list of teams with the most success/consistency at BEING RANKED.
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