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Posted on 5/16/23 at 11:52 am to Gideon Swashbuckler
Posted on 5/16/23 at 11:52 am to Gideon Swashbuckler
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Notre Dame to the SEC would be a coup, and the Big10 would shite. That's why they can't let it happen.
ND can choose if it wants to go to either conference, but neither is going to go for unequal revenue sharing or take ND for just football. Both will add another team to bring in ND and keep stuff even because ND has that kind of value.
I'm guessing that would be going to the Big 10, possibly paired with Stanford who is one of the teams ND wants to play every year. But I honestly don't know if the money works for either the SEC or Big 10 to add anyone else in a move that doesn't include ND. The available teams aren't profitable enough.
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Posted on 5/16/23 at 12:20 pm to AwgustaDawg
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They should NEVER be considered for admission into the SEC due to the way they left the SEC
Everyone involved in that decision has been dead for decades, though I don't exactly blame the SEC for not running to bring us back either.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 12:38 pm to Wally Sparks
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Everyone involved in that decision has been dead for decades, though I don't exactly blame the SEC for not running to bring us back either.
I didn’t know the story, so I had to look it up.
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The Engineers decided to go independent as of June 30 because they could not get he 12-member conference to change its limit of 140 footballbasketball scholarships.
Link: GT leaves the SEC
So GT gave the SEC an ultimatum, the SEC said nope.. and GT walked out the door. Is there more to the story?
This post was edited on 5/16/23 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 5/16/23 at 4:42 pm to BigBro
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So GT gave the SEC an ultimatum, the SEC said nope.. and GT walked out the door. Is there more to the story?
That’s about right, plus at the time Bobby Dodd thought Tech could thrive as an independent. Unfortunately he was very, very wrong (and also a lousy AD after he retired from coaching). It’s also why I think our stadium should not have his name on it.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 4:46 pm to BigBro
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Link: GT leaves the SEC
So GT gave the SEC an ultimatum, the SEC said nope.. and GT walked out the door. Is there more to the story?
Texas might have had been part of the problem by influencing the outcome of the GT breakup with the SEC. ;)
Posted on 5/16/23 at 7:01 pm to BigBro
That and Dodd hated Bear Bryant.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 7:21 pm to CU_Tigers4life
2022 tv ratings. Top 60 schools. This is what the networks pay for.
Ohio State — 5.80M
Alabama — 5.11M
Michigan — 4.37M
Tennessee — 4.13M
Georgia — 3.50M
Notre Dame — 3.30M
LSU — 3.22M
Texas — 3.06M
Penn State — 3.05M
Clemson — 2.59M
Florida — 2.57M
Oregon — 2.21M
TCU — 2.20M
Southern Cal — 2.07M
Florida State — 2.03M
Nebraska — 1.98M
Michigan State — 1.91M
Texas A&M — 1.87M
Maryland — 1.864M
Auburn — 1.863M
Arkansas — 1.80M
Mississippi — 1.753M
Oklahoma — 1.748M
Oklahoma State — 1.68M
UCLA — 1.591M
Wisconsin — 1.587M
Iowa — 1.50M
Kentucky — 1.35M
Baylor — 1.32M
Kansas State — 1.23M
Indiana — 1.19M
Illinois — 1.17M
Utah — 1.16M
Washington — 1.15M
Northwestern — 1.13M
Mississippi State — 1.10M
Minnesota — 1.05M
BYU — 997K
South Carolina — 990K
Navy — 976K
Washington State — 907K
Iowa State — 882K
NC State — 881K
Purdue -870K
California — 857K
North Carolina — 849K
Stanford — 846K
Syracuse — 841K
Georgia Tech — 837K
Missouri — 793K
West Virginia — 774K
Kansas — 732K
Army — 681K
Texas Tech — 680K
Cincinnati — 653K
Pittsburgh — 650K
Oregon State — 625K
Rutgers — 618K
Miami FL— 608K
Wake Forest — 523K
I apologize. Clemson draws more interest than OU. I was mistaken. Also, FSU does better. Ok, I’ll take Clemson and FSU because you’ll add value but that’s it.
Ohio State — 5.80M
Alabama — 5.11M
Michigan — 4.37M
Tennessee — 4.13M
Georgia — 3.50M
Notre Dame — 3.30M
LSU — 3.22M
Texas — 3.06M
Penn State — 3.05M
Clemson — 2.59M
Florida — 2.57M
Oregon — 2.21M
TCU — 2.20M
Southern Cal — 2.07M
Florida State — 2.03M
Nebraska — 1.98M
Michigan State — 1.91M
Texas A&M — 1.87M
Maryland — 1.864M
Auburn — 1.863M
Arkansas — 1.80M
Mississippi — 1.753M
Oklahoma — 1.748M
Oklahoma State — 1.68M
UCLA — 1.591M
Wisconsin — 1.587M
Iowa — 1.50M
Kentucky — 1.35M
Baylor — 1.32M
Kansas State — 1.23M
Indiana — 1.19M
Illinois — 1.17M
Utah — 1.16M
Washington — 1.15M
Northwestern — 1.13M
Mississippi State — 1.10M
Minnesota — 1.05M
BYU — 997K
South Carolina — 990K
Navy — 976K
Washington State — 907K
Iowa State — 882K
NC State — 881K
Purdue -870K
California — 857K
North Carolina — 849K
Stanford — 846K
Syracuse — 841K
Georgia Tech — 837K
Missouri — 793K
West Virginia — 774K
Kansas — 732K
Army — 681K
Texas Tech — 680K
Cincinnati — 653K
Pittsburgh — 650K
Oregon State — 625K
Rutgers — 618K
Miami FL— 608K
Wake Forest — 523K
I apologize. Clemson draws more interest than OU. I was mistaken. Also, FSU does better. Ok, I’ll take Clemson and FSU because you’ll add value but that’s it.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 7:28 pm to Gideon Swashbuckler
Notre Dame does not want to be part of the B1G or they could have been there yesterday.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 7:40 pm to bamaoldtimer
Take the top 40, split them between the BiG and the SEC and play ball
Posted on 5/16/23 at 8:14 pm to lefty08
Looking at the number, the ACC draws 1/3 the eyeballs of SEC. No interest in football in the Carolina’s and Virginia. I’ve already stated my apologies to clemson and FSU fan. Without those two schools, the ACC is not a Power 5 conference.
The only schools other than the above-mentioned which I would consider for future SEC membership are ND and TCU.
So here is my choice. Add FSU, Clemson, ND and TCU.
Go to two divisions of 10 teams East and West
East: Clemson , Georgia, South Carolina, Florida, Tennessee , Alabama, Auburn, Vanderbilt, FSU, Kentucky.
West: Texas, A&M, OU, Arkansas, Missouri, LSU, Ole Miss, MISS ST, TCU, ND
4 permanent each division, 2 permanent other division, 4 games rotated, 2 non conference games.
It must be off season because I’m bored
The only schools other than the above-mentioned which I would consider for future SEC membership are ND and TCU.
So here is my choice. Add FSU, Clemson, ND and TCU.
Go to two divisions of 10 teams East and West
East: Clemson , Georgia, South Carolina, Florida, Tennessee , Alabama, Auburn, Vanderbilt, FSU, Kentucky.
West: Texas, A&M, OU, Arkansas, Missouri, LSU, Ole Miss, MISS ST, TCU, ND
4 permanent each division, 2 permanent other division, 4 games rotated, 2 non conference games.
It must be off season because I’m bored
Posted on 5/16/23 at 8:15 pm to bamaoldtimer
The ACC wasn't even a major conference until FSU joined. Their champ played in the Citrus or Gator Bowl. Basically an east coast version of the WAC.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 9:17 pm to lsudave1
I’ve lived in Raleigh and Blacksburg and their fans are full SEC level devotees in football. Perfect fit if the two elitists balk. I swear some of y’all in the Deep South think anything north of the Georgia state line is a yankee ??
Posted on 5/16/23 at 11:23 pm to The Orange Bull
The B10 has no strong academic schools outside of Northwestern, UMich, Wisco, and Illinois.
The SEC has Vandy, UF, UGA, and A&M’s endowment.
UNC and UVA will go to the SEC before they go to the B10. The Midwest is a sad higher academic region in general. Probably the second worst in the country after the West (which has no strong national schools outside of California).
The SEC has Vandy, UF, UGA, and A&M’s endowment.
UNC and UVA will go to the SEC before they go to the B10. The Midwest is a sad higher academic region in general. Probably the second worst in the country after the West (which has no strong national schools outside of California).
Posted on 5/16/23 at 11:40 pm to ClassicCityAlum
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The B10 has no strong academic schools outside of Northwestern, UMich, Wisco, and Illinois.
lol you mean other than the fact that they are all AAU schools * and all are rated in the top 105.. including all of their potential expansion candidates.
* Nebraska is the red headed step child as they lost their AAU status and they aren’t ranked in the top 100 anymore
As for the viewer numbers above.. those definitely matter, but you can’t look at them in a vacuum either.
Oklahoma was horrible last year, and that combined with playing regional schools.. that doesn’t add up to many eyeballs. I’m guessing their numbers are significantly better every year for the last 20 years.
You have to speculate a little bit.
For example, dropping USC into the B1G is going to send their numbers through the roof. If Caleb Williams was still gonna be there, they might end up #1 next in viewership next year.
Texas should have huge numbers in 2024. Going to Michigan and an SEC schedule.
So the question is..
Would Clemson and FSU create a schedule that fans want to see in the SEC?
Perm: Each other
Alabama or Auburn
Georgia or Florida
LSU or Texas A&M
Texas or Oklahoma
I would guess all 9 of those games would have pretty good ratings, regardless of how you paired them up.
Could you say the same for UNC or UVA? I don’t think so unless one of them is really good.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 11:42 pm to bamaoldtimer
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So here is my choice. Add FSU, Clemson, ND and TCU.
TCU made the playoff, that’s why they had good numbers last year. They are a small private school. At least compare their numbers to other years before jumping off that bridge.
Any school that makes the playoff will have good viewership numbers.. even Vanderbilt.
Posted on 5/17/23 at 12:04 am to Tillman
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Clemson has plenty of money
Since when
Posted on 5/19/23 at 2:09 am to BigBro
We had a horrible year and still made inside the Top 25 once again TV wise which is why we’re the next best option in the big 12. Okstate Vs Texas and Bedlam both draw better numbers than Red River or just as much. We’ve been to a bowl game almost 20 years straight.
We have the athletic infrastructure, funding, and alumni base in Dallas/Texas as well. If Oklahoma State had SEC TV money..damn. Plus Fayetteville is 2 hours away and it gives us a regional game back.
We have the athletic infrastructure, funding, and alumni base in Dallas/Texas as well. If Oklahoma State had SEC TV money..damn. Plus Fayetteville is 2 hours away and it gives us a regional game back.
This post was edited on 5/19/23 at 2:16 am
Posted on 5/19/23 at 6:22 am to DownOnWashington
you don’t have to sell me brother.. I would be happy to add Ok State. I personally think that Texas, OU, A&M, Arkansas and Missouri will be the division at 20 teams. If we go to 24 teams, we will need a 6th, and not that my vote counts, but I would pick Ok State next. You guys are good in all sports too. WVU is another good option for the SEC imo.. if a division over there needs another team..
Posted on 5/19/23 at 7:32 am to ClassicCityAlum
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The B10 has no strong academic schools outside of Northwestern, UMich, Wisco, and Illinois. The SEC has Vandy, UF, UGA, and A&M’s endowment.
Yeah, that’s not correct. The majority of big ten schools, academically, are very strong. Nebraska, Penn State, Ohio State, and Michigan State would be viewed as the weaklings in terms of academics.
And, Texas has a considerably larger endowment than Texas A&M. The majority of Big Ten schools, however, will have a larger endowment than any SEC schools not named Texas, A&M, and Vanderbilt.
This post was edited on 5/19/23 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 5/19/23 at 8:01 am to bamaoldtimer
Wow, the surprise to me is neither of the Arizona schools are on the list. I figured they would bring some eyeballs, particularly ASU, due to Phoenix and large school enrollment.
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