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Posted on 8/10/11 at 9:46 am to thunderbird1100
Posted on 8/10/11 at 9:46 am to thunderbird1100
I'm excited about Wise, Turner, Thomas, Lewis...
The other CB's won offers at camp so I trust the coaches
our other DE will probably be a TE..
The other CB's won offers at camp so I trust the coaches
our other DE will probably be a TE..
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Posted on 8/10/11 at 9:47 am to thunderbird1100
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Much more objective about it than you guys are.
Posted on 8/10/11 at 9:47 am to thunderbird1100
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This is what I'm talking about, they cant even admit the defensive commits they have right now are nothing to get excited over about.
I am excited as hell about AJ Turner, Collins, Gibson, and Thomas. All of those will end up at CB/S and help us out tremendously in the future.
So, I am not sure what you are talking about.
Posted on 8/10/11 at 9:49 am to thunderbird1100
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Last I heard Jones and Jones were the starters
Where did you hear this at? 1's right now at DT are Thomas and B.Jones.
DD Jones has been working at DE the past 3-4 practices more and more.
Posted on 8/10/11 at 9:50 am to thunderbird1100
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Last I heard Jones and Jones were the starters, he hasn't supplanted either one yet. Maybe if you want count him as a "starter" in the 5-2 defense you guys are trying to arrange, but other than that, havent heard of him being a starter in the 4-2-5/4-3 hybrid base D.
He has been rotating as a starter with DD in the 4-3 as far as I know. They have been using DD as a DE a lot more this offseason. Don't know if that is a permanent wrinkle or not but I imagine it has to do with us getting the ball crammed down our throats in power running sets by Auburn and Alabama.
Posted on 8/10/11 at 9:51 am to sugatowng
We're in good position with Taiwan Johnson, Reggie Daniels, Mike Pennel and Seth Jacobs so the potential is still there to bring in some big time guys.
Posted on 8/10/11 at 9:57 am to sugatowng
...says the guy laughing who said Robert Thomas is the next Nick Fairley and he may not even start this year 
Posted on 8/10/11 at 10:00 am to Hawgeye
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AJ Turner,
Arkansas State
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Collins
Tulsa
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Gibson
BCS bottom feeders + SDSU, WKU and Wyoming
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Thomas
Actually a fairly impressive offer sheet
Just stop, there's nothing to get excited about overall with your defensive commits.
Posted on 8/10/11 at 10:12 am to thunderbird1100
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Just stop, there's nothing to get excited about overall with your defensive commits.
Yes, actually there is.
It seems personal with you thunderbird. Has an Arkansas fan pissed in your cheerios once before?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Posted on 8/10/11 at 10:14 am to Hawgeye
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Yes, actually there is.
No, actually there isn't as I clearly broke down. Once agian, would LSU/Alabama/Auburn/UF, etc fans be excited about these players? Hell no. They are not getting very good offers overall or being rated very highly. We get it, all you guys have CLEARLY bought into the Petrino kool-aid on everything now, but these are not very exciting defensive commits by any stretch of the imagination.
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It seems personal with you thunderbird.
What's so personal about talking about football? People always get their feathers fluffed on here when facts are brought to the table and they can't figure out a way to respond other than the typical "U MAD BRAH!?"
This post was edited on 8/10/11 at 10:16 am
Posted on 8/10/11 at 10:15 am to Hawgeye
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It seems personal with you thunderbird. Has an Arkansas fan pissed in your cheerios once before?
Cobi Hamilton
Posted on 8/10/11 at 10:28 am to thunderbird1100
I understand what you're saying but you don't seem to be able to believe that none of us think we are going to have an elite defense. Its just not going to happen at Arkansas. Its not something new to Petrino. We have always had to recruit the proverbial diamond in the rough and coach them up.
If Willy Robinson and our S&C coaches can get these 3*'s with the occasional 4* sprinkled in to play around the #6 defense in the SEC like they did last year then we will be competitive with our offense to go along with it. Recruiting is not lacking on that side of the ball at all.
Why is it ok for LSU to have a sub par offense with an elite defense but Arkansas can't have an elite offense with an above average defense?
If Willy Robinson and our S&C coaches can get these 3*'s with the occasional 4* sprinkled in to play around the #6 defense in the SEC like they did last year then we will be competitive with our offense to go along with it. Recruiting is not lacking on that side of the ball at all.
Why is it ok for LSU to have a sub par offense with an elite defense but Arkansas can't have an elite offense with an above average defense?
Posted on 8/10/11 at 10:29 am to thunderbird1100
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No, actually there isn't as I clearly broke down. Once agian, would LSU/Alabama/Auburn/UF, etc fans be excited about these players? Hell no. They are not getting very good offers overall or being rated very highly. We get it, all you guys have CLEARLY bought into the Petrino kool-aid on everything now, but these are not very exciting defensive commits by any stretch of the imagination.
It has nothing to do with "buying into the kool-aid". If you like, I can play this game and say that you have CLEARLY bought into the star kool-aid.
All of these guys have good measurables and our coach (who knows a hell of a lot more about developing players than anyone on this site or on the recruiting services) feels that he can develop them into viable SEC players. If counting stars was all that a class amounted to, then what is the purpose in even playing the game? How players are developed for a particular system is a lot more important than how many arbitrary stars were given to them from one of half a dozen recruiting services.
Frankly, I don't go about the day trying to compare our team to LSU/Alabama/Auburn/UF because we aren't these teams. We are Arkansas. We have a different coaching staff, different offensive/defensive schemes, and different environments. I have full faith in our staff and if they see something in a player that Rivals or Scout or whoever doesn't seem to see, I will side with my coach every single time.
I am confident that we can contend with any team in the country this coming year, and that is with recruiting classes that are consistently lower-ranked than those schools you mentioned. That by itself shoots your little theory right out of the water.
Posted on 8/10/11 at 10:30 am to TheCheshireHog
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Why is it ok for LSU to have a sub par offense with an elite defense but Arkansas can't have an elite offense with an above average defense?
Because, a bad defensive team never wins the SEC title or the National Title. Right? Right? Right?
Auburn, oh wait
Posted on 8/10/11 at 10:35 am to thunderbird1100
Impressive offer lists... 
Posted on 8/10/11 at 3:55 pm to thunderbird1100
But like we said, most of the players on our defense now didnt have impressive offer lists either and they turned out ok
not sure what the point is
not sure what the point is
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