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re: The 2011 Arkansas Defense
Posted on 8/10/11 at 9:04 am to TT9
Posted on 8/10/11 at 9:04 am to TT9
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The convincing takes part on gameday,not the fricking practice field...so we shall see.
I can agree with this...I'd say though we can easily look at the guys we brought in and rate them against talent that was already on the team and contributors...
for instance we have a DL player that started as a true freshman and will only play now to give other players rest...:petrinodoinwork:
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Posted on 8/10/11 at 9:05 am to sugatowng
quote:at least someone has a functioning brain on here....
I can agree with this
Posted on 8/10/11 at 9:05 am to Hawgeye
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Jerry Franklin came in as about a 215lb freshman.
Jerry was recruited as a safety as well.
I'm still waiting for a response to my post earlier that showed that all of our current "stars" on defense that were listed were rated 5.6 or lower coming out of high school.
We're never going to have a top 3 defense like Alabama, LSU or Florida year in and year out but as long as we can stay at the 5-6 range and our offense keeps humming then we will keep competing at a high level.
This post was edited on 8/10/11 at 9:07 am
Posted on 8/10/11 at 9:17 am to Hawgeye
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This is the best LB recruiting class we have ever had here.
Robert Atiga 6'3" 240lbs
Tyler Gilbert 6'3" 248lbs
Brock Haman 6'3" 235lbs
Alonzo Highsmith 6'1" 230lbs
Darrell Kelly-Thomas 6'4" 228lbs
we'll see
This post was edited on 8/10/11 at 9:18 am
Posted on 8/10/11 at 9:19 am to Choctaw
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how many games have they played in so far?
Can't speak for the rest but Haman started every game of his high school career so that's at least 30. I would imagine there were some playoff games as well. I don't know what age they start playing at in Arizona but you gotta think at least 3 seasons from 7-9th grade so that's another 30 games. I would imagine he alone has at least played 70 games before now.
Posted on 8/10/11 at 9:19 am to Choctaw
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Choctaw
What does seeing them in games have to do with knowing they are faster, stronger, and more knowledgeable than any other incoming class we have had?
How stupid are you people? These kids tested out a week and a half before fall camp started. We have never had a collective group of LB recruits this strong and fast.
Is this really that hard for you to grasp?
Posted on 8/10/11 at 9:19 am to TheCheshireHog
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TheCheshireHog
Haman was also part of a 37 game winning streak at his high school.
Posted on 8/10/11 at 9:21 am to Hawgeye
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Haman was also part of a 37 game winning streak at his high school.
Obvious all-sec lock is obvious.
Posted on 8/10/11 at 9:22 am to TheCheshireHog
Posted on 8/10/11 at 9:22 am to TheCheshireHog
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I'm still waiting for a response to my post earlier that showed that all of our current "stars" on defense that were listed were rated 5.6 or lower coming out of high school.
None of them are "Stars" though. Some are just solid players (Nelson, Tank) and others good (Bequette, Franklin, Thomas) but none really high NFL type-talents. Maybe Bequette here, but that's it. My point was if you ever wanted a good defense, you have to recruit better defensive players, especially for this recruiting class where Petrino is REALLY lacking. Not a single Hog fan in this thread can say they're concerned with defensive recruiting when it's staring them right in the face as being way off this year. You can't imagine how well a Nick Fairly or Patrick Peterson can seriously impact your defense.
Posted on 8/10/11 at 9:27 am to thunderbird1100
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Nick Fairly
Was he a star before last season?
I'm going out on a limb and say Robert Thomas will be this years Fairly
Posted on 8/10/11 at 9:28 am to thunderbird1100
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None of them are "Stars" though. Some are just solid players (Nelson, Tank) and others good (Bequette, Franklin, Thomas) but none really high NFL type-talents. Maybe Bequette here, but that's it. My point was if you ever wanted a good defense, you have to recruit better defensive players, especially for this recruiting class where Petrino is REALLY lacking. Not a single Hog fan in this thread can say they're concerned with defensive recruiting when it's staring them right in the face as being way off this year. You can't imagine how well a Nick Fairly or Patrick Peterson can seriously impact your defense.
That's the thing, it's really no different than the past 4 years. 8 of our 11 starters on defense this year were 3*'s or lower and 18 of our 22 deep on defense were 3*'s or lower.
Like I said, if we can just hover around 5-6 in the defensive standings then we will be fine. We are NEVER going to have a year in and year out top tier defense at Arkansas. It aint going to happen.
Petrino's offensive recruiting has been very,very good since he has been here so as long as we do keep in the top 3 offenses year in and year out then we will be competitive with LSU, Alabama and Auburn. Not saying we are going to dominate but we will be competitive and competing for the West.
However, if we ever do have a season with a top 3 defense then can you imagine how good we would be?
Posted on 8/10/11 at 9:29 am to thunderbird1100
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Not a single Hog fan in this thread can say they're concerned with defensive recruiting when it's staring them right in the face as being way off this year. You can't imagine how well a Nick Fairly or Patrick Peterson can seriously impact your defense.
I am not concerned over our defensive recruiting this year.
We brought in 16 defensive players a year ago. We had a need on the defensive side of the ball. This year, we have a need at WR and CB/S, then recruit for the best available.
Posted on 8/10/11 at 9:31 am to sugatowng
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Was he a star before last season?
What does this have to do with anything? It was only his second season at Auburn last year.
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I'm going out on a limb and say Robert Thomas will be this years Fairly
He's not even going to be a starter and suddenly he's the most dominant DT in the SEC? Small limb you're going out on there
Posted on 8/10/11 at 9:35 am to thunderbird1100
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He's not even going to be a starter and suddenly he's the most dominant DT in the SEC? Small limb you're going out on there
Thomas is running with the 1's in practice.
Posted on 8/10/11 at 9:36 am to thunderbird1100
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He's not even going to be a starter
The consensus around camp is that Thomas could very well be a starter. He is the biggest reason DD Jones has been getting more work at DE.
Posted on 8/10/11 at 9:38 am to thunderbird1100
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What does this have to do with anything? It was only his second season at Auburn last year.
Your quote: You can't imagine how well a Nick Fairly or Patrick Peterson can seriously impact your defense.
How do you know we don't have a guy that will come in and be dominant? I mean you knew Fairly would because he was a 5* right??
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He's not even going to be a starter and suddenly he's the most dominant DT in the SEC? Small limb you're going out on there
you obviously don't really know much about our team do you?
This post was edited on 8/10/11 at 9:40 am
Posted on 8/10/11 at 9:40 am to Hawgeye
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I am not concerned over our defensive recruiting this year.
We brought in 16 defensive players a year ago. We had a need on the defensive side of the ball. This year, we have a need at WR and CB/S, then recruit for the best available.
This is what I'm talking about, they cant even admit the defensive commits they have right now are nothing to get excited over about.
For those that don't know, half their class right now is still defensive commits.
Posted on 8/10/11 at 9:43 am to TheCheshireHog
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Thomas is running with the 1's in practice
Last I heard Jones and Jones were the starters, he hasn't supplanted either one yet. Maybe if you want count him as a "starter" in the 5-2 defense you guys are trying to arrange, but other than that, havent heard of him being a starter in the 4-2-5/4-3 hybrid base D.
Posted on 8/10/11 at 9:44 am to sugatowng
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ur quote: You can't imagine how well a Nick Fairly or Patrick Peterson can seriously impact your defense.
How do you know we don't have a guy that will come in and be dominant? I mean you knew Fairly would because he was a 5* right??
Merely blindly guessing isn't anything to base anything on. No, not every 3* JUCO DT will come in and be a Nick Fairley. Sorry.
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you obviously don't really know much about our team do you?
Much more objective about it than you guys are.
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