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re: Tennessee sent Texas Sam Houston and Davy Crockett

Posted on 7/31/21 at 9:27 am to
Posted by MrMojoRisin
Udûn
Member since May 2014
6976 posts
Posted on 7/31/21 at 9:27 am to
quote:

Slavery happened Get over it.


From the woke dildo who repetitively brings up slavery in this thread. frick you people suck.
Posted by Che Boludo
Member since May 2009
18174 posts
Posted on 7/31/21 at 9:28 am to
quote:

Playing the race card.

I'm not a fan of either school in this conversation and truly hate all of the evidence that indicates one of my childhood favorite stories and heroes was likely more myth than reality. Such as, Mexican soldiers reporting that Crockett surrendered and was executed; over half the defenders of the Alamo tried to flee and were killed by Mexican lancers; Travis put himself and other in the situation by failure to listen to reporting, there was no "line in the sand." So, the valiant delaying action was out of necessity, not choice. Moreover, it did nothing to truly affect the Mexican ends. It cost them 4 days in their planned timeline to take San Antonio.

All of the above is debatable based on historic reports, but it seems to have some historical backing once the emotional lense of "remember the Alamo" is removed. But, that was just it, the slogan creating a myth that surpassed the possible truths is what really changed the tide of support and "liberated" Texas. One of the most successful information operations in American history.

That said, it is absolutely not up for debate that slavery was foremost at the top of the list if issues causing unrest between American colonists in Texas and Mexico.

Time Magazine
quote:

Correspondence shows conclusively that Stephen F. Austin, the so-called “Father of Texas,” spent years jousting with the Mexico City bureaucracy over the necessity of enslaved labor to the Texas economy. “Nothing is wanted but money,” he wrote in a pair of 1832 letters, “and Negros are necessary to make it.” Each time a Mexican government threatened to outlaw slavery, many in Austin’s colony began packing to go home. In time, as we know now, they put away their suitcases and brought out their guns.


As such, it isn't a race card or matter of wokeness to point out the realities of the day. Cotton was king and slaves were a factor of production to make it most profitable. Businessmen of the day weren't high on ceding that cost savings for higher cost factors of production. Nor were they favorable of governments trying to impose such a change on them. And, they proved in Texas and later in the US ready to go to war over it.
Posted by JustAnotherName
Member since Jul 2021
130 posts
Posted on 7/31/21 at 9:28 am to
Still part of our history…

No one trying to make you feel guilty
Weird response.

Posted by Che Boludo
Member since May 2009
18174 posts
Posted on 7/31/21 at 9:33 am to
quote:

From the woke dildo who repetitively brings up slavery in this thread. frick you people suck

You can talk/debate history without being woke.

But, I do agree we all suck for advancing a shite thread into an even shittier POLI BOARD like place. A sharp decline from a harmless jab and exchange in the OP.
This post was edited on 7/31/21 at 9:35 am
Posted by Reverend Jim
Member since Jul 2021
252 posts
Posted on 7/31/21 at 9:35 am to
quote:

As such, it isn't a race card or matter of wokeness to point out the realities of the day. Cotton was king and slaves were a factor of production to make it most profitable. Businessmen of the day weren't high on ceding that cost savings for higher cost factors of production. Nor were they favorable of governments trying to impose such a change on them. And, they proved in Texas and later in the US ready to go to war over it.

We don't give a frick. It was 1836. Slavery ended a few short years later.

We don't care.
Posted by Reverend Jim
Member since Jul 2021
252 posts
Posted on 7/31/21 at 9:37 am to
quote:

Still part of our history…

No one trying to make you feel guilty

Make me feel guilty?

No, I don't give a frick that it happened. I don't lose a moments sleep and have never had a pang of guilt.
Posted by JustAnotherName
Member since Jul 2021
130 posts
Posted on 7/31/21 at 9:39 am to
Why such the emotional response.

You started throwing around labels that didn’t even fit

Tennessee helped create Texas.
So did Virginia, S Carolina, Alabama and Kentucky.
Pretty much every state east of Texas
This post was edited on 7/31/21 at 9:41 am
Posted by Reverend Jim
Member since Jul 2021
252 posts
Posted on 7/31/21 at 9:43 am to
quote:

Why such the emotional response.

You started throwing around labels that didn’t even fit


frick you. I don't give a damn what makes your woke vagina bleed.

You brought slavery into a thread that had nothing to do with race or politics.

Go back to waving and sucking your dildo. Quit spewing menstrual blood all over the forum.
Posted by JustAnotherName
Member since Jul 2021
130 posts
Posted on 7/31/21 at 9:50 am to
Showing you how every state was involved.
They wanted another state to vote with them.
If it hurts you to have it brought up I don’t know what to tell you
This post was edited on 7/31/21 at 9:51 am
Posted by Reverend Jim
Member since Jul 2021
252 posts
Posted on 7/31/21 at 9:54 am to
quote:

Showing you how every state was involved.

If it hurts you to have it brought up I don’t know what to tell you

You pulled the race card because you had nothing else. You pulled the race card in a thread that had nothing to do with race or politics

Now, what part of frick you and your race card did you fail to comprehend?

PS: frick every dildo waving, woke shite stain in Austin, Texas.
Posted by coachcrisp
pensacola, fl
Member since Jun 2012
30598 posts
Posted on 7/31/21 at 10:03 am to
quote:

Thanks to us your sorry arse can say dildo in English.
After reading this thread, it's become apparent that you've developed a strong rumination to dildos....strange.
Posted by aggressor
Austin, TX
Member since Sep 2011
8714 posts
Posted on 7/31/21 at 10:04 am to
quote:

quote:
Playing the race card.

I'm not a fan of either school in this conversation and truly hate all of the evidence that indicates one of my childhood favorite stories and heroes was likely more myth than reality. Such as, Mexican soldiers reporting that Crockett surrendered and was executed; over half the defenders of the Alamo tried to flee and were killed by Mexican lancers; Travis put himself and other in the situation by failure to listen to reporting, there was no "line in the sand." So, the valiant delaying action was out of necessity, not choice. Moreover, it did nothing to truly affect the Mexican ends. It cost them 4 days in their planned timeline to take San Antonio.

All of the above is debatable based on historic reports, but it seems to have some historical backing once the emotional lense of "remember the Alamo" is removed. But, that was just it, the slogan creating a myth that surpassed the possible truths is what really changed the tide of support and "liberated" Texas. One of the most successful information operations in American history.

That said, it is absolutely not up for debate that slavery was foremost at the top of the list if issues causing unrest between American colonists in Texas and Mexico.

Time Magazine
quote:
Correspondence shows conclusively that Stephen F. Austin, the so-called “Father of Texas,” spent years jousting with the Mexico City bureaucracy over the necessity of enslaved labor to the Texas economy. “Nothing is wanted but money,” he wrote in a pair of 1832 letters, “and Negros are necessary to make it.” Each time a Mexican government threatened to outlaw slavery, many in Austin’s colony began packing to go home. In time, as we know now, they put away their suitcases and brought out their guns.


As such, it isn't a race card or matter of wokeness to point out the realities of the day. Cotton was king and slaves were a factor of production to make it most profitable. Businessmen of the day weren't high on ceding that cost savings for higher cost factors of production. Nor were they favorable of governments trying to impose such a change on them. And, they proved in Texas and later in the US ready to go to war over it.


What a bunch of revisionist crap by some leftist Prof trying to rewrite history out of wokeness.

My family came from Smyrna, Tennessee to Texas back then and they never owned slaves. The primary reason for the war was the Mexican Constitution of 1824 when it separated from Spain was being completely ignored by Santa Anna as he became the effective Dictator of Mexico.

Eventually, he brought his troops up to force the Texans into submission and to take their guns. They came to Gonzales and tried to take the cannon they had to protect the town and thus they made the famous "Come and Take It!" flag. It actually had a lot of similarity to the Battle of Lexington and Concord in that aspect. Texans fought back and Santa Anna sent his full army up to quell the rebellion and the war was on with Sam Houston eventually defeating Santa Anna and capturing him at San Jacinto.

Interesting as well you left out Goliad where the Mexican Army lined up all the surrendering Texans and killed them all. The revisionist Alamo account also makes no sense because not only were the men there some tough SOB's the Mexicans flew the flag of "No Quarter" so they knew they had to fight to the death.

Texas owes Tennessee a great debt and they were the state most instrumental in our founding but it is certainly true that Texans came from all over, primarily from other Southern states. Still Tennessee gave the most.
Posted by viceman
Huntsville, AL
Member since Aug 2016
30688 posts
Posted on 7/31/21 at 10:06 am to
OK Jim, you're my favorite UT poster now. I have nothing bad to say about General Neyland either. He was a great football coach and one hell of an American.
Posted by Mstate
Birmingham
Member since Nov 2009
9671 posts
Posted on 7/31/21 at 10:17 am to
Mississippi also sent people to fight for Texas. The Mississippi Rifles were one of the few units using the M1841 Rifle and not smoothbore muskets

quote:

Hardly had a part of his army left when Taylor learned that a new Mexican Army of some 15,000 men, including 4,000 excellent cavalry and lancers, was marching north to take back Saltillo and Monterrey under command of the same General Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna who had fought the Texans at the Alamo when Texas first rebelled. General Santa Anna had vowed to push the Americans back across the Rio Grande.

With only 4,650 men left, General Taylor moved them to a narrow pass in the mountains south of Saltillo where the Mexicans could be more easily blocked. There the Battle of Buena Vista raged for two days, February 22 and 23, 1847, with Taylor always keeping the Mississippians in readiness beside him. On the second day when a dangerous break in one key line occurred, he ordered them in to save it. The legend is that he did so, saying, “Steady, boys, steady for the glory of Ole Mississippi!” Colonel Davis placed his ranks into a “V” formation which was much praised after the battle. The Mississippi Rifles not only held fast but turned the enemy back. Night soon fell and the Mexican Army retreated. General Zachary Taylor would become a national hero and in 1850, become the president of the United States.
Posted by Reverend Jim
Member since Jul 2021
252 posts
Posted on 7/31/21 at 10:22 am to
quote:

OK Jim, you're my favorite UT poster now. I have nothing bad to say about General Neyland either. He was a great football coach and one hell of an American.

Fun fact about Neyland.

He was considered by many to be the second greatest athlete of the first half of the 20th Century. Behind only the legend that was Jim Thorpe.

Neyland was a star lineman in football at West Point.
Was a 20 game winner as a pitcher on the baseball team.
Was captain of the boxing team, and national collegiate boxing champion.



Posted by ScoggDog
SE Indiana
Member since Aug 2020
3623 posts
Posted on 7/31/21 at 10:25 am to
If Sam Houston and Davy Crockett had ever met a Longhorns fan - my bet is they would have stayed at home. And probably laid the points and put some action down on Santa Anna.
Posted by LegendOfCobb
Athens of the West
Member since Jun 2014
2363 posts
Posted on 7/31/21 at 10:28 am to
quote:

actually think more from Kentucky



Yup
Posted by Reverend Jim
Member since Jul 2021
252 posts
Posted on 7/31/21 at 10:32 am to
quote:

If Sam Houston and Davy Crockett had ever met a Longhorns fan - my bet is they would have stayed at home. And probably laid the points and put some action down on Santa Anna.


Posted by Wolfhound45
Hanging with Chicken in Lurkistan
Member since Nov 2009
120000 posts
Posted on 7/31/21 at 10:37 am to
quote:

ScoggDog
#savage
Posted by BurntOrangeMan
Dallas TX
Member since May 2021
5628 posts
Posted on 7/31/21 at 11:28 am to
Houston's homestead in Texas was chosen for it's similarities to the landscape of where he was raised in TN.
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