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re: Teams with a worse win-loss record than Tennessee since Heupel took over
Posted on 9/10/25 at 10:05 am to VolSquatch
Posted on 9/10/25 at 10:05 am to VolSquatch
They were both pretty bad. I don’t know if one was far worse than the other.
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Posted on 9/10/25 at 10:11 am to CIGAR_cigarillo
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Auburn - 24-28
Posted on 9/10/25 at 10:16 am to VolSquatch
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Uh, yeah he did.
That Tennessee team had sanctions so they lost a ton of a roster that wasn't really that great to begin with
Orgeron left behind something of a crater. Whatever you want to say about the average star rating is okay but there were 38 or 39 scholarship players inherited. The defense was especially terrible. Considering how good Daniels was the defense cost LSU a shot at the SEC or even national championship
Posted on 9/10/25 at 10:29 am to VolSquatch
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Uh, yeah he did.
That Tennessee team had sanctions so they lost a ton of a roster that wasn't really that great to begin with.
Meh, LSU had sanctions too.
They were pretty comparable situations.
Posted on 9/10/25 at 10:36 am to SidewalkTiger
They aren’t comparable at all.
Tennessee had just gone 3-7 (the worst record in our history), hadn’t won 10 games in 14 years, had 17 level 1 violations, and had the biggest transfer portal exodus in football history (even more than Penn State after Paterno). We were essentially a dead program facing the death penalty. Our AD, chancellor, and university president were all fired.
The situation Heupel inherited was tons worse than what Kelly got. Hell Kelly took over a program with multiple SEC titles and a natty since the vols last 10 win season. LSU had players in the league and name support. Tennessee had nothing.
Tennessee had just gone 3-7 (the worst record in our history), hadn’t won 10 games in 14 years, had 17 level 1 violations, and had the biggest transfer portal exodus in football history (even more than Penn State after Paterno). We were essentially a dead program facing the death penalty. Our AD, chancellor, and university president were all fired.
The situation Heupel inherited was tons worse than what Kelly got. Hell Kelly took over a program with multiple SEC titles and a natty since the vols last 10 win season. LSU had players in the league and name support. Tennessee had nothing.
Posted on 9/10/25 at 10:37 am to CIGAR_cigarillo
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Mississippi St - 25-27
Auburn - 24-28
Thank God for Mis… oh snap! Dammit!
Posted on 9/10/25 at 10:42 am to VFL67
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The situation Heupel inherited was tons worse than what Kelly got.
Kelly only had 39 players on scholarship when he took over.
Granted, he was at a school which has had success this century, so he was at a better place. But Kelly had to totally rebuild the team.
Posted on 9/10/25 at 10:45 am to VolSquatch
Dude you are smoking crack. LSU’s roster was depleted so bad that we had a wide receiver playing qb
Posted on 9/10/25 at 10:53 am to FootballFrenzy
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Now do matchups vs Top-25 opponents.
Dude...that is a fantastic idea. Let me run the numbers.
Ranking when playing:
2024
#24 - NC State - Won 51-10
#15 - Oklahoma - Won 25-15
#7 - Alabama - Won 24-17
#12 - Georgia - Lost - 17-31
#6 - Ohio State - Lost 17-42
2023
#11- Alabama - Lost 20-34
#14 - Missouri - Lost 7-36
#1 - Georgia - Lost 10-38
#17 - Iowa - Won 35-0
2022
#18 - Pitt - Won 34-27
#21 - Florida - Won 38-33
#24 - LSU - Won 40-13
#2 - Alabama - Won 52-49
#20 - Kentucky - Won 44-6
#2 - Georgia - Lost 13-27
#7 - Clemson - Won - 31-14
2021
#11 - Florida - Lost 14-38
#13 - Ole Miss - Lost 26-31
#4 - Alabama - Lost 24-52
#18 - Kentucky - Won 45-42
#1 - Georgia - Lost 17-41
That is 11-9 or 55% winning percentage.
So, we can compare it to aTm's top 25 record during that time, since I'm sure you are interested.
2024
#7 - Notre Dame - Lost 13-23
#9 - Missouri - Won - 41-10
#8 - LSU - Won - 38-23
#3 - Texas - Lost - 7-17
2023
#11 - Alabama - Lost - 20-26
#19 - Tennessee - Lost 13-20
#10 - Ole Miss - Lost - 35-38
#14 - LSU - Lost - 30-42
#20 - Oklahoma St. - Lost - 23-31
2022
#13 - Miami - Won 17-9
#10 - Arkansas - Won - 23-21
#1 - Alabama - Lost 20-24
#15 - Ole Miss - Lost 28-31
#5 - LSU - Won 38-23
2021
#16 - Arkansas - Lost - 10-20
#1 - Alabama - Won - 41-38
#13 - Auburn - Won 20-3
#15 - Ole Miss - Lost 19-29
That's 7-9...or a 44% winning percentage. So, Heupel has faced more top 25 teams than aTm during that period and has a higher winning percentage.
Thank you so much for pointing out that Heupel has a higher win-loss record both overall and over ranked teams. I wouldn't have thought of running those numbers without your suggestion. Again, thank you so much for asking for it.
Posted on 9/10/25 at 10:54 am to CIGAR_cigarillo
VOLS finna eat
Posted on 9/10/25 at 10:57 am to SidewalkTiger
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Basically, Tennessee has to include Orgeron's last season because BK has a better win percentage than Heupel.
Yeah but with BK, he hasn’t won it his way, at least not yet
Posted on 9/10/25 at 11:21 am to Dawgfanman
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What a time to be alive.
Not anymore now that Bennett is gone
Posted on 9/10/25 at 11:27 am to VFL67
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Tennessee had just gone 3-7 (the worst record in our history), hadn’t won 10 games in 14 years, had 17 level 1 violations, and had the biggest transfer portal exodus in football history (even more than Penn State after Paterno). We were essentially a dead program facing the death penalty. Our AD, chancellor, and university president were all fired.
The jury is still out on whether Heupel is the guy but there’s no denying that UT was in the grave when he took over. Heupel organized all of the boosters and NIL donors and convinced them to buy in.
Posted on 9/10/25 at 11:32 am to 03 West CoChamps
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Georgia - 55-5
Alabama - 46-11
Ole Miss - 41-13
Big 3
Based on W/L records..... bitch please. Remind me... when was ole piss last natty??
Posted on 9/10/25 at 11:41 am to VFL67
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They aren’t comparable at all. Tennessee had just gone 3-7 (the worst record in our history), hadn’t won 10 games in 14 years, had 17 level 1 violations, and had the biggest transfer portal exodus in football history (even more than Penn State after Paterno). We were essentially a dead program facing the death penalty. Our AD, chancellor, and university president were all fired. The situation Heupel inherited was tons worse than what Kelly got. Hell Kelly took over a program with multiple SEC titles and a natty since the vols last 10 win season. LSU had players in the league and name support. Tennessee had nothing.
Yep. The local press watching Huepel’s first spring practice were questioning if we would even be able to field a team in the fall. It was that bad. 7-5 that year was a miracle.
Posted on 9/10/25 at 11:43 am to SEC Doctor
The very fact that LSU was able to pull Notre Dames all time winningest coach to BR for that job shows that he had a better situation than Heupel. After Butch Jones few people wanted the job and after Pruitt, no one wanted the Tennessee job. LSU got to go make a splash hire because it was still an attractive spot. Tennessee had to go hire UCF coach fresh off a 6-4 season. That right there should show you how people in the industry viewed the jobs at the time each was hired. LSU might’ve not be in great shape but Tennessee was flat out dead
Posted on 9/10/25 at 11:59 am to Lacreus
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Tennessee had just gone 3-7 (the worst record in our history), hadn’t won 10 games in 14 years, had 17 level 1 violations, and had the biggest transfer portal exodus in football history (even more than Penn State after Paterno). We were essentially a dead program facing the death penalty. Our AD, chancellor, and university president were all fired.
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The jury is still out on whether Heupel is the guy but there’s no denying that UT was in the grave when he took over. Heupel organized all of the boosters and NIL donors and convinced them to buy in.
True...but so far, Heupel has coached UT through 54 games and his record is 39-15. So, where are the prior UT coaches at that stage of their time in Knoxville?
Jeremy Pruitt - Only coached 35 games. He was 16-19 in that period (so more losses than Heupel) and that doesn't count vacated games. With vacated games, he was 5-19.
Butch Jones - Through his first 54 games he was 32-22. He went 2-5 in his remaining games before he was let go.
Derek Dooley - Only coached 36 games. He was 15-21 in those games.
Lane Kiffin - Only coached 13 games and was 7-6 in those games.
Philip Fulmer - Through is first 54 games he was 44-9-1.
Johnny Majors - Through his first 54 games he was 27-26-1
Bill Battle - Through his first 54 games he was 31-22-1
Doug Dickey - Through is first 54 games he was 37-13-4
Jim Mcdonald - Only coached 10 games and was 5-5
Bowden Wyatt - Through is first 54 games he was 34-17-3
Harvey Robinson - Only coached 21 games - was 10-10-1
Robert Neyland - Through is first 54 games he was 49-2-3
So, through the first 54 games it would be:
1) Neyland - 49-2-3
2) Fulmer - 44-9-1
3) Heupel - 39-15
4) Dickey - 37-13-4
5) Wyatt - 34-17-3
6) Battle - 33-22-1
7) Majors - 27-26-1
Posted on 9/10/25 at 12:01 pm to CIGAR_cigarillo
Now do SEC Championship Appearances?
Posted on 9/10/25 at 12:01 pm to VFL67
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The very fact that LSU was able to pull Notre Dames all time winningest coach to BR for that job shows that he had a better situation than Heupel.
The fact that Les miles and O won nattys there has to be a factor…
Posted on 9/10/25 at 12:07 pm to midnight orange
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Yep. The local press watching Huepel’s first spring practice were questioning if we would even be able to field a team in the fall. It was that bad. 7-5 that year was a miracle.
Per 247 Sports, Heupel had 81 scholarship players his first season.
Kelly had 72 in his.
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