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re: Sticking with Pittman is unacceptable
Posted on 11/20/23 at 3:04 pm to Tammany Tom
Posted on 11/20/23 at 3:04 pm to Tammany Tom
Pretty sure Arky isn't hoping for the 60s to come back, their fans just want relevancy and something to root for.
Playing Texas every year will help that.
Playing Texas every year will help that.
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Posted on 11/20/23 at 4:25 pm to cardboardboxer
The Arkansas fanbase would be more than happy to have regular 7-9 win seasons and every once in a while make a Petrino like run of 10-11 wins.
With 3-4 cupcakes every year, that should not be unreasonable. Kentucky has done it. Ole Miss has done it. Missouri has now done it.
Those are all comparable programs from a resource and recruiting standpoint.
Those are not crazy expectations. 2-5 wins every other year is just inexcusable.
With 3-4 cupcakes every year, that should not be unreasonable. Kentucky has done it. Ole Miss has done it. Missouri has now done it.
Those are all comparable programs from a resource and recruiting standpoint.
Those are not crazy expectations. 2-5 wins every other year is just inexcusable.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 4:32 pm to Jon Ham
I said Pittman was fool's gold during his best season a few times. And I got downvoted to oblivion. 
I could tell back then and said as much that he was a cheerleader or mascot type coach like Orgeron. Too much of a player's coach and not a bright guy. Seems like a nice guy but he's ruining the program.
I could tell back then and said as much that he was a cheerleader or mascot type coach like Orgeron. Too much of a player's coach and not a bright guy. Seems like a nice guy but he's ruining the program.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 4:44 pm to Tammany Tom
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Since Texas A&M and Missouri joined the SEC in 2012, only Vanderbilt has a worse SEC record. Arkansas is 24-73 for a .247 winning % in SEC play since 2012. A&M and Missouri joining took away their ability to get kids in those states that wanted to play in the SEC
They've had horrendous coaches since 2012. Literally every one of them. No team in this league would be successful with the coaches they had/have.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 4:52 pm to Tammany Tom
We can agree that Arkansas has a small recruiting base compared with the competition.
But it doesn't explain some really bad losses since the Petrino firing.
2012 ULM
2013 Rutgers
2015 Toledo
2018 Colorado State and North Texas
2019 San Jose State and Western Kentucky
2022 Liberty
2023 BYU
Just for a moment, forget about Arkansas competing in the SEC and focus on who they should beat. Did Arkansas losing to these teams listed above have superior recruiting bases than Arkansas?
If we look at the recruiting rankings then the answer would be no.
So looking the coaches of that time.
John L.
Bert
Chad
After leaving Arkansas with a 4-8 record which Arkansas began the season ranked in the top 10, John L. was 14-19 at Fort Lewis. He was 7-24 at Kentucky State.
So he would be in the category of a terrible coach who isn't coaching right now. He was more worried about his $800,000 check than his job.
Bert was 29-34 at Arkansas. After he left Arkansas, he is currently 18-18 at Illinois. That maybe considered good at Illinois but from an outside perspective, it isn't good. So far in his third year as coach at Illinois, he has lost nine one possession games. The same problems he had at Arkansas and to an extent at Wisconsin.
He isn't good, horrible or terrible but in the category of a bad coach.
Chad was 4-20 at Arkansas. After he left Arkansas, he eventually went back to the high school ranks at Allen, Texas. He was forced out and is now an offensive analyst at Clemson.
He isn't good, bad or terrible but just a horrible coach who is the worst coach in SEC history.
So it can't all just be talent but most of it was just bad to horrible coaching that is the cause for problems at Arkansas.
But it doesn't explain some really bad losses since the Petrino firing.
2012 ULM
2013 Rutgers
2015 Toledo
2018 Colorado State and North Texas
2019 San Jose State and Western Kentucky
2022 Liberty
2023 BYU
Just for a moment, forget about Arkansas competing in the SEC and focus on who they should beat. Did Arkansas losing to these teams listed above have superior recruiting bases than Arkansas?
If we look at the recruiting rankings then the answer would be no.
So looking the coaches of that time.
John L.
Bert
Chad
After leaving Arkansas with a 4-8 record which Arkansas began the season ranked in the top 10, John L. was 14-19 at Fort Lewis. He was 7-24 at Kentucky State.
So he would be in the category of a terrible coach who isn't coaching right now. He was more worried about his $800,000 check than his job.
Bert was 29-34 at Arkansas. After he left Arkansas, he is currently 18-18 at Illinois. That maybe considered good at Illinois but from an outside perspective, it isn't good. So far in his third year as coach at Illinois, he has lost nine one possession games. The same problems he had at Arkansas and to an extent at Wisconsin.
He isn't good, horrible or terrible but in the category of a bad coach.
Chad was 4-20 at Arkansas. After he left Arkansas, he eventually went back to the high school ranks at Allen, Texas. He was forced out and is now an offensive analyst at Clemson.
He isn't good, bad or terrible but just a horrible coach who is the worst coach in SEC history.
So it can't all just be talent but most of it was just bad to horrible coaching that is the cause for problems at Arkansas.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 5:23 pm to cardboardboxer
Mississippi State has been to 12 consecutive bowl games. The vast majority of hog fans would be happy with those results.
I don't understand why Arkansas can't do the same and Mississippi State is no better than Arkansas.
I don't understand why Arkansas can't do the same and Mississippi State is no better than Arkansas.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 5:32 pm to dchog
This is exactly my point. There’s always shady stuff going on, pretty much every where. Arkansas worries about off field stuff and misses good coaches. Remember when Norvell couldn’t be a candidate because he had skeletons in his closet?
Petrino was a known a-hole, got hired and performed on the field.
Petrino was a known a-hole, got hired and performed on the field.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 5:41 pm to Tammany Tom
Disagree. They can compete. With a consistent and creative offensive philosophy and good use of the portal, 7-9 win seasons can be the norm. Will never be Bama or the like, but that’s not the expectation.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 6:04 pm to Fletch1985
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Disagree. They can compete. With a consistent and creative offensive philosophy and good use of the portal, 7-9 win seasons can be the norm.
This is why I thought Chad Morris was a good hire. He did really well at SMU. Never been more wrong in my life.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 6:16 pm to Fletch1985
I know but both of them would put Arkansas on probation and eventually from the NCAA who had teeth, the death penalty.
Arkansas struggled when they joined SEC without being on probation. What would you think would happen to Arkansas if they were put on major probation?
It would like the Chad years.
The same fans who blamed Frank for not hiring them, would blame Frank for ruining the football program.
I have heard that about Norvell and I don't know if that is true or not. If it was then that shouldn't be an excuse on why he shouldn't be hired.
Going back to Johnson and Switzer. I would hire them now because we don't really have any rules on NIL or any body of government that can enforce any rules. So anything goes.
With an NCAA so weak of enforcing any rules. Arkansas shouldn't be afraid of any punishment or penalty because it is the wild west in college football. Everything is in chaos. No excuse on holding back now.
Arkansas struggled when they joined SEC without being on probation. What would you think would happen to Arkansas if they were put on major probation?
It would like the Chad years.
The same fans who blamed Frank for not hiring them, would blame Frank for ruining the football program.
I have heard that about Norvell and I don't know if that is true or not. If it was then that shouldn't be an excuse on why he shouldn't be hired.
Going back to Johnson and Switzer. I would hire them now because we don't really have any rules on NIL or any body of government that can enforce any rules. So anything goes.
With an NCAA so weak of enforcing any rules. Arkansas shouldn't be afraid of any punishment or penalty because it is the wild west in college football. Everything is in chaos. No excuse on holding back now.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 6:22 pm to Triple Bogey
He was 14-22 at SMU.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 6:25 pm to Jon Ham
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In Pittman year 4:
BYU is 5-6, 2-6 in the Big 12. Arkansas lost to BYU at home, giving up 38 points. BYU is averaging 21 points per game.
The 5-6, 1-6 in the SEC Miss State defense is giving up 27 points per game and held Arkansas to 3 points in a 7-3 win @ Arkansas.
6-4 Auburn beat Arkansas 48-10 @ Arkansas. Auburn ran for 354 yards, gained 32 first downs, and held Arkansas to 1-12 on third down. The next week, New Mexico State would hold Auburn to 65 rushing yards and go 6-12 on third down in a 31-10 win.
What’s the reason for this nosedive? Sam doesn’t know. Neither does our AD. If a reason could be given then MAYBE the fans would be ok with giving Sam another year.
What did our AD say? “Hey guys, we beat FIU and the players are excited to have Sam return! We will work hard to be better!”
No answers. No accountability. No plan. Another losing season to look forward to. Not acceptable.
Arkansas still might beat Mizzou. He is still learning on the job without Barry Odom. Next year will be the season to see if he can turn it around. If not, then AD can fire him and get someone else.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 6:27 pm to NorthGwinnettTiger
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Who would arky fans want?
Chadwell. Right there!
Posted on 11/20/23 at 6:32 pm to Tammany Tom
This gentleman gets it completely. They have no base, and no high school feeder system providing top notch athletes. It is a problem that can be fixed on the high school level, but that aspect alone will take a decade. Anything is doable.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 6:45 pm to Arbengal
It has to happen on the community level and if it does then high school football will improve.
The challenge is in areas such as Southeast Arkansas which is one of the poorest areas in the nation.
The challenge is in areas such as Southeast Arkansas which is one of the poorest areas in the nation.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 6:47 pm to No Colors
Arkansas is regarded as a better all-time program than Ole Piss. The only thing y’all have over Arkansas is more high school recruits to pick from in your state.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 6:54 pm to dchog
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Arkansas struggled when they joined SEC without being on probation. What would you think would happen to Arkansas if they were put on major probation?
The NCAA placed Arkansas' athletic program on three years' probation and took away two football scholarships Thursday for violations committed by a booster who overpaid Razorback football and basketball players for work at his Dallas trucking company.[quote]
It happened in 2003 and hurt recruiting leading up to bad seasons in 2004 and 2005. They bounced back in 2006 and 2007 though.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 6:54 pm to TC Kidd
You really think places like Norman, Tuscaloosa, Athens, etc. are any better than Fayetteville? They’re not. Those programs and coaches have gotten players and continue to do so due to one thing - $$$. Long before NIL was a thing.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 7:08 pm to Clark14
That is small compared to what other programs have done.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 7:14 pm to Triple Bogey
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Disagree. They can compete. With a consistent and creative offensive philosophy and good use of the portal, 7-9 win seasons can be the norm.
This is why I thought Chad Morris was a good hire. He did really well at SMU. Never been more wrong in my life.
Are you kidding me? Chad Morris was a what the heck did Arkansas hire?
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