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Since the topic is recruiting, let's talk about it.... What Would You Differently?
Posted on 11/1/21 at 7:44 pm
Posted on 11/1/21 at 7:44 pm
Aight, we all know what Mullen said today. Let's not harp on his words. What I want to know is, what would do as the Head Coach of the Florida Gators?
How do you sell 5* recruits to come here? What could you possibly offer them that they couldn't get at Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, Ohio State, Oklahoma, etc....?
What's Florida got going for it?
-3 Heisman Trophy Winners (Spurrier, Wuerfell, Tebow)
--2 nominations in 20 years (Grossman, Trask)
-3 National Titles ('96, '06, '08)
-- 1 Appearance in '95
- 8 SEC Championships
--15 East Division "Champs"
- Various amount of NFL players
-Facilities Upgrades
Sure all of that speaks a "winning tradition", but I don't think any of that really matters to players nowadays. For some reason, I feel like these players want more guarantees out of the program. You know you can win championships at Bama, Clemson, OSU, Oklahoma, and for some reason Georgia, too (since they've only had 1 natty appearance in 40 years).
People say, it should be easy to recruit Florida, but I see Miami and FSU struggling (2 very "prestigious" Florida schools with "winning traditions"). I honestly don't know what players are looking for these days besides MONEY. How do you give it to 'em?
With the NIL, you should be able to give a recruit everything they want if it's worth it.
Your advice so far is "RECRUIT BETTER!"
My question is "HOW!?!"
How do you sell 5* recruits to come here? What could you possibly offer them that they couldn't get at Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, Ohio State, Oklahoma, etc....?
What's Florida got going for it?
-3 Heisman Trophy Winners (Spurrier, Wuerfell, Tebow)
--2 nominations in 20 years (Grossman, Trask)
-3 National Titles ('96, '06, '08)
-- 1 Appearance in '95
- 8 SEC Championships
--15 East Division "Champs"
- Various amount of NFL players
-Facilities Upgrades
Sure all of that speaks a "winning tradition", but I don't think any of that really matters to players nowadays. For some reason, I feel like these players want more guarantees out of the program. You know you can win championships at Bama, Clemson, OSU, Oklahoma, and for some reason Georgia, too (since they've only had 1 natty appearance in 40 years).
People say, it should be easy to recruit Florida, but I see Miami and FSU struggling (2 very "prestigious" Florida schools with "winning traditions"). I honestly don't know what players are looking for these days besides MONEY. How do you give it to 'em?
With the NIL, you should be able to give a recruit everything they want if it's worth it.
Your advice so far is "RECRUIT BETTER!"
My question is "HOW!?!"
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Posted on 11/1/21 at 7:51 pm to finchmeister08
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How do you sell 5* recruits to come here? What could you possibly offer them that they couldn't get at Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, Ohio State, Oklahoma, etc....?
NIL!
Posted on 11/1/21 at 7:52 pm to finchmeister08
Free Gas Cards
Posted on 11/1/21 at 7:54 pm to finchmeister08
I think that’s a fair analysis. UGA hasn’t won a natty in 40 years, but they seldom finish outside of the top 10, send the most players to the NFL (next to Bama and Ohio St.), and Athens is an easy sell.
Florida needs to not have a snake oil salesman as its head ball coach and it can easily recruit the best football state in the South (especially since, as you mentioned, FSU and Miami are both pathetic).
I think players would be eager to play at Florida, rather than spend four years in Norman, OK or in the tundra-like climate of Ohio. Just need to sell it like Urban did.
Florida needs to not have a snake oil salesman as its head ball coach and it can easily recruit the best football state in the South (especially since, as you mentioned, FSU and Miami are both pathetic).
I think players would be eager to play at Florida, rather than spend four years in Norman, OK or in the tundra-like climate of Ohio. Just need to sell it like Urban did.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 7:55 pm to finchmeister08
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Your advice so far is "RECRUIT BETTER!"
My question is "HOW!?!"
Start with hiring a HC who values recruiting and is good at it. Saban told Mal Moore as much right after he was hired. Paraphrasing, but it was along the lines of not having hired the best head coach but having hired the best recruiter, and he wasn't anything without his players.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 7:55 pm to finchmeister08
It's more about building and maintaining relationships with the recruits. Kirby is one of the best in the business at that, not only personally, but in driving his staff to do the same.
Dan not so much.
Dan not so much.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 7:58 pm to finchmeister08
In today's climate? As an Arkansas fan, my AD and HC hire 2 full time analytics dorks who do nothing but run numbers on all of the FBS 2 deep. Obtain every film. These millenials then find comparables with our internal roster.
If Troy or Western Kentucky or New Mexico St has XYX or LB, DT etc who can play at a high level, not only bring him on an OV but work them out like a combine. Transfers today are as good or better than HS 4****.
Be a factory. Not just a HS to college try out.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 8:22 pm to finchmeister08
Keep thinking it's money...and you will continue to lose out.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 8:25 pm to finchmeister08
quote:Your whole scenario can be broken down to one thing. Effort. And it ain’t there for Dan
My question is "HOW!?!"
Posted on 11/1/21 at 8:33 pm to finchmeister08
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Your advice so far is "RECRUIT BETTER!"
My question is "HOW!?!"
Well, in Mullen’s case he could drop the snarky I-know-more-than-you-do attitude, cut out the Gator Standard and relentless effort cliches, and talk to the recruits at their level.
He just exudes unlikeability. If I were 18, I wouldn’t want to be around that shite for four years.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 8:35 pm to finchmeister08
We watched Kirby go out day one and hire a hardworking staff that recruited all the time. Facilities were improved drastically, support staff were hired, and then he continued to send everyone out year after year. He learned from the master. Nobody thinks Kirby is the greatest game day coach, but he has learned very quickly how to build a program. Hopefully it will pay off with a Natty at some point. If it does the program will get even stronger. Mullen just seems lazy and hires his friends who seem kind of lazy too. I don’t post much but just my .02.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 8:35 pm to finchmeister08
Human element. Recruits trust you and buy in, and don't think you are a phony. Kids are smart and perceptive.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 8:37 pm to finchmeister08
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How do you sell 5* recruits to come here? What could you possibly offer them that they couldn't get at Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, Ohio State, Oklahoma, etc....?
You have a valid point. The ability to wear jorts without being heckled just isn't the deal closer it used to be.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 8:38 pm to so_comfort
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It's more about building and maintaining relationships with the recruits. Kirby is one of the best in the business at that, not only personally, but in driving his staff to do the same.
Dan not so much.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 8:40 pm to finchmeister08
Florida is really talent rich. It should recruit itself honestly. I think the problem is just the coaching staff.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 8:41 pm to finchmeister08
Mullen says he doesn't recruit during the season - so come back and ask this question after you lose the Meineke Car Care Bowl or some such and your season is over. Then recruiting can start. According to Mullen. 
Posted on 11/1/21 at 8:43 pm to deeprig9
Can you imagine Mullen in your living room talking to your son? Laws that squirrelly %#$& would drive me crazy.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 8:52 pm to GoldenDawg
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Mullen says he doesn't recruit during the season
no, he didn't say that. but you already know that.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 8:57 pm to finchmeister08
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How do you sell 5* recruits to come here? What could you possibly offer them that they couldn't get at Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, Ohio State, Oklahoma, etc....?
I mean...he gets them through the portal. How does he do that? I would think it would work in regular recruiting. And it might be too late now. Had he started working hard on recruiting a couple of years ago, I think he could sell it and be ok.
quote:This isn't correct. We came close in 1982, 2012, 2017, and some other years. We just haven't closed the deal.
Georgia, too (since they've only had 1 natty appearance in 40 years).
And Kirby has proven he can get us there (To the game...not the winners circle) but that allows us to sell a possibility.
Florida should not be having recruiting problems especially with FSU and Miami being awful.
quote:Another coach. Mullen simply doesn't care that much about recruiting. He's never recruited that well, and think s he can magically make all players play better. There is no reason a coach should not be able to recruit better at Florida. Florida can sell the same stuff Georgia does and better.
My question is "HOW!?!"
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