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re: Serious question/poll re: Bama's claimed NC
Posted on 12/4/09 at 10:20 pm to Ross
Posted on 12/4/09 at 10:20 pm to Ross
The only one that could be disputed is 41. And I don't know why we claim that one. The others, it's quite safe to say, there was East Coast and Catholic bias against Southern schools and Bama more than proved their arguments by going undefeated and beating those teams in the Rose Bowl.
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Posted on 12/4/09 at 10:24 pm to Ross
I realise you barners don't have much experience with ncs, so maybe when the conversation turns to ncs, you should just stfu! 
Posted on 12/4/09 at 10:28 pm to Alahunter
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The only one that could be disputed is 41.
There really isn't a dispute, it's more along the lines of nobody thinks Alabama was the national champion that year.
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The others, it's quite safe to say, there was East Coast and Catholic bias against Southern schools and Bama more than proved their arguments by going undefeated and beating those teams in the Rose Bowl.
I have real beef with a few other titles, but it's getting too late to argue this topic for the umpteenth time, so we can continue our discussion later.
(I will say that some of the titles, such as 1973, irk me because Alabama lost to the true national champion in their bowl game, but the UPI was still being primitive and awarding pre-bowl game national titles. However, I guess it counts, even though as a guy viewing from outside the box it looks wrong. At least that year caused the UPI to get their heads out of their asses and award after the bowl game.)
This post was edited on 12/4/09 at 10:31 pm
Posted on 12/4/09 at 10:30 pm to crimsonsaint
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I realise you barners don't have much experience with ncs, so maybe when the conversation turns to ncs, you should just stfu!
Assuming we claimed national titles with more liberal views on what qualifies us for them, we could claim many more than 1957 and you can take that to the bank.
Go back and check out Auburn's 1983 season and tell me why we shouldn't claim it. We have several minor polls and in all honesty the resume beats the crap out of anything Miami or Nebraska had.
Posted on 12/4/09 at 10:31 pm to Ross
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I will say that some of the titles, such as 1973, irk me because Alabama lost to the true national title in their bowl game, but the UPI was still being primitive and awarding pre-bowl game national titles. However, I guess it counts, even though as a guy viewing from outside the box it looks wrong. At least that year caused the UPI to get their heads out of their asses and award after the bowl game
Busting Bama because of the way Championships were awarded is kinda dumb. It was awarded and that's the way it was recognized. That's about all there is to it.
Posted on 12/4/09 at 10:31 pm to Alahunter
I said it's legitimate, doesn't mean the system was right. You blast me for bias, open your eyes.
Posted on 12/4/09 at 10:33 pm to Ross
I'll give em 7. It's still a frickin awesome accomplishment. Unfortunately, the average bammer has no fcukin clue.
Most of the guys on the Bama rant are fine though
Most of the guys on the Bama rant are fine though
Posted on 12/4/09 at 10:34 pm to Ross
I saw. It was also said like this, if I were to say about your 83... yeah.. yall were awarded by some small little poll somewhere, even thought most of the country believed someone else was better, yeah, yall should be able to claim it.
Posted on 12/4/09 at 10:35 pm to bmy
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bmy
Posted on 12/4/09 at 10:36 pm to bamaboy87
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bamaboy87
you got tickets or anything? going to a bar or something? can't decide where i'm gonna watch.
Posted on 12/4/09 at 10:38 pm to Alahunter
1941 is such a joke, but the sad fact that Bama claims this makes you wonder about most of the other 11.
IMO, any #1 ranking awarded retroactively should not count.
IMO, any #1 ranking awarded retroactively should not count.
Posted on 12/4/09 at 10:39 pm to Alahunter
See, if I was an Auburn fan, I wouldn't claim 1983. Because the wire service standard had been established at that point. A single publication or group wouldn't bear the same weight as the AP or UPI.
But I'm also not going to go back now, in the BCS era, and mock championships awarded by the AP or UPI, because those WERE the standards used at the time. In fifteen years, we will have another standard to award the NC. Will LSU or Florida's BCS titles then be dismissed as being "irrelevant BCS garbage that nobody should claim"....?
But I'm also not going to go back now, in the BCS era, and mock championships awarded by the AP or UPI, because those WERE the standards used at the time. In fifteen years, we will have another standard to award the NC. Will LSU or Florida's BCS titles then be dismissed as being "irrelevant BCS garbage that nobody should claim"....?
This post was edited on 12/4/09 at 10:40 pm
Posted on 12/4/09 at 10:41 pm to bmy
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you got tickets or anything? going to a bar or something? can't decide where i'm gonna watch.
Tickets? HA!
no I don't
Not going to a bar either. I'm gonna watch it at home that way if we lose I can take an "I don't give a shite" pill and go right to sleep. Or I'll ask that girl out finally and get it over with so Lee will stop giving me shite about doing it. So if i get rejected, I will already have the "I dont give a shite" pill in me and..well...i wont give a shite
This post was edited on 12/4/09 at 10:47 pm
Posted on 12/4/09 at 10:42 pm to DvlsAdvocat
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Will LSU or Florida's BCS titles then be dismissed as being "irrelevant BCS garbage that nobody should claim"....?
The difference between now and the pre-BCS situation is that the polls awarded the #1 spot and different times, under varying methods (sports writers, individual statisticians, etc.)
Posted on 12/4/09 at 10:43 pm to Golfer
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The difference between now and the pre-BCS situation is that the polls awarded the #1 spot and different times, under varying methods (sports writers, individual statisticians, etc.)
2003 USC - AP
Posted on 12/4/09 at 10:45 pm to Golfer
Ahhh...but what if in the "new" system, polls are totally not incorporated? Then your "silly BCS titles" could be dismissed as being based on nothing more than a popularity contest that established who was going to have the best chance to get to the title game before the first kickoff of the season (a'la Auburn 2004)....
Posted on 12/4/09 at 10:46 pm to Alahunter
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I saw. It was also said like this, if I were to say about your 83... yeah.. yall were awarded by some small little poll somewhere, even thought most of the country believed someone else was better, yeah, yall should be able to claim it.
The cool part about this is that outside of all our bitching, Auburn doesn't claim 1983 in any way, so you can belittle our non-national championship all you want. We just bitch about it because we had a tie for best record and had by far the toughest schedule. And we dominated the common opponents category with Miami.
At any rate, I gave Alabama due credit for 1973 while saying that the system was inherently flawed because Notre Dame didn't get the UPI poll. That's the truth.
Posted on 12/4/09 at 10:48 pm to Coonass
Because you people bitch about this SO much, I'm no longer claiming 12. I'm claiming 25:
1
1925
10-0-0
Angelo Louisa
Bill Libby
Billingsley Report
Boand System
Century Football Index
Cliff Morgan
College Football Researchers Association
David Wilson
Harry Frye
Helms Athletic Foundation
Houlgate System
James Howell
Jim Koger
Mel Smith
National Championship Foundation
Nutshell Sports Football Ratings
Patrick Premo
Poling System
Ray Bryne
2
1926
9-0-1
1st-N-Goal
Billingsley Report
Century Football Index
College Football Researchers Association
Helms Athletic Foundation
James Howell
Mel Smith
National Championship Foundation
Nutshell Sports Football Ratings
Patrick Premo
Poling System
Ray Bryne
3
1930
10-0-0
Bob Kirlin
College Football Researchers Association
David Wilson
Mel Smith
Parke Davis
Ray Bryne
Sagarin Ratings
4
1934
10-0-0
1st-N-Goal
Bill Libby
Century Football Index
Cliff Morgan
Dunkel System
Houlgate System
James Howell
Mel Smith
Poling System
Ray Bryne
Williamson System
5
1936
8-0-1
Cliff Morgan
Mel Smith
Ray Bryne
6
1937
9-1-0
Ray Bryne
7
1941
9-2-0
Houlgate System
8
1945
10-0-0
Cliff Morgan
National Championship Foundation
Ray Bryne
9
1950
9-2-0
Bob Kirlin
10
1961
11-0-0
1st-N-Goal
Angelo Louisa
Associated Press
Bill Libby
Billingsley Report
Bob Royce
Century Football Index
Cliff Morgan
Clyde Berryman
College Football Researchers Association
College Football USA
David Wilson
Dunkel System
Earl Jessen
Edward Litkenhous
Football News
Harry DeVold
Harry Frye
Helms Athletic Foundation
James Howell
Jeff Self
Jim Koger
Massy Ratings
Mel Smith
Montgomery Full Season Championship
National Championship Foundation
National Football Foundation and Hall of Fame
Nutshell Sports Football Ratings
Patrick Premo
Sagarin Ratings
Soren Sorensen
The Fleming System
United Press International
Washington Touchdown Club
Williamson System
11
1962
10-1-0
Loren Maxwell
Montgomery Full Season Championship
12
1963
9-2-0
Jim Koger
13
1964
10-1-0
Angelo Louisa
Associated Press
Bob Royce
Clyde Berryman
College Football USA
Edward Litkenhous
Montgomery Full Season Championship
United Press International
Washington Touchdown Club
14
1965
9-1-1
1st-N-Goal
Associated Press
Bob Kirlin
Century Football Index
College Football Researchers Association
David Wilson
Football Writers Association of America
Jim Koger
Massy Ratings
National Championship Foundation
Patrick Premo
15
1966
11-0-0
ARGH Power Ratings
Cliff Morgan
Clyde Berryman
Earl Jessen
National Championship Foundation
Soren Sorensen
16
1973
11-1-0
Bob Royce
Clyde Berryman
Edward Litkenhous
United Press International
Washington Touchdown Club
17
1974
11-1-0
Washington Touchdown Club
18
1975
11-1-0
ARGH Power Ratings
Bob Kirlin
Matthews Grid Ratings
19
1977
11-1-0
Bob Kirlin
College Football Researchers Association
20
1978
11-1-0
1st-N-Goal
Annual Football Predictions
Associated Press
Century Football Index
College Football Researchers Association
David Wilson
Football Writers Association of America
Foundation for the Analysis of Competitions and Tournaments
Helms Athletic Foundation
National Championship Foundation
National Football Foundation and Hall of Fame
New York Daily News
Nutshell Sports Football Ratings
21
1979
12-0-0
ARGH Power Ratings
Annual Football Predictions
Associated Press
Billingsley Report
Bob Kirlin
Bob Royce
Century Football Index
Cliff Morgan
Clyde Berryman
College and Pro Football Newsweekly
David Wilson
Dunkel System
Football News
Football Writers Association of America
Foundation for the Analysis of Competitions and Tournaments
Harry DeVold
Harry Frye
Helms Athletic Foundation
James Howell
Jeff Self
Loren Maxwell
Massy Ratings
Matthews Grid Ratings
Mel Smith
Montgomery Full Season Championship
National Championship Foundation
National Football Foundation and Hall of Fame
New York Times
Nutshell Sports Football Ratings
Patrick Premo
Poling System
Sagarin Ratings
The Sporting News
United Press International
22
1980
10-2-0
Annual Football Predictions
Montgomery Full Season Championship
23
1991
11-1-0
Annual Football Predictions
24
1992
13-0-0
1st-N-Goal
Angelo Louisa
Annual Football Predictions
ARGH Power Ratings
Associated Press
Billingsley Report
Century Football Index
Clyde Berryman
College Football Researchers Association
David Wilson
DKC Ratings
Dunkel System
Football News
Football Writers Association of America
Foundation for the Analysis of Competitions and Tournaments
Gupta Power Ratings
Harry DeVold
Harry Frye
James Howell
James Whalen
Jeff Self
Massy Ratings
Matthews Grid Ratings
National Championship Foundation
New York Times
Nutshell Sports Football Ratings
Patrick Premo
Peter Wolfe
Quality Champions
Soren Sorensen
Sparks Achievement Ratings
Sports Illustrated
Steve Eck
SW!-TECH Computer Ratings
The College Football Statistics Quarterly
The Fleming System
The Sporting News
United Press International/National Football Foundation
USA Today/CNN
Washington Touchdown Club
25
1994
12-1-0
Annual Football Predictions
Championship Years
So frick all y'all.
1
1925
10-0-0
Angelo Louisa
Bill Libby
Billingsley Report
Boand System
Century Football Index
Cliff Morgan
College Football Researchers Association
David Wilson
Harry Frye
Helms Athletic Foundation
Houlgate System
James Howell
Jim Koger
Mel Smith
National Championship Foundation
Nutshell Sports Football Ratings
Patrick Premo
Poling System
Ray Bryne
2
1926
9-0-1
1st-N-Goal
Billingsley Report
Century Football Index
College Football Researchers Association
Helms Athletic Foundation
James Howell
Mel Smith
National Championship Foundation
Nutshell Sports Football Ratings
Patrick Premo
Poling System
Ray Bryne
3
1930
10-0-0
Bob Kirlin
College Football Researchers Association
David Wilson
Mel Smith
Parke Davis
Ray Bryne
Sagarin Ratings
4
1934
10-0-0
1st-N-Goal
Bill Libby
Century Football Index
Cliff Morgan
Dunkel System
Houlgate System
James Howell
Mel Smith
Poling System
Ray Bryne
Williamson System
5
1936
8-0-1
Cliff Morgan
Mel Smith
Ray Bryne
6
1937
9-1-0
Ray Bryne
7
1941
9-2-0
Houlgate System
8
1945
10-0-0
Cliff Morgan
National Championship Foundation
Ray Bryne
9
1950
9-2-0
Bob Kirlin
10
1961
11-0-0
1st-N-Goal
Angelo Louisa
Associated Press
Bill Libby
Billingsley Report
Bob Royce
Century Football Index
Cliff Morgan
Clyde Berryman
College Football Researchers Association
College Football USA
David Wilson
Dunkel System
Earl Jessen
Edward Litkenhous
Football News
Harry DeVold
Harry Frye
Helms Athletic Foundation
James Howell
Jeff Self
Jim Koger
Massy Ratings
Mel Smith
Montgomery Full Season Championship
National Championship Foundation
National Football Foundation and Hall of Fame
Nutshell Sports Football Ratings
Patrick Premo
Sagarin Ratings
Soren Sorensen
The Fleming System
United Press International
Washington Touchdown Club
Williamson System
11
1962
10-1-0
Loren Maxwell
Montgomery Full Season Championship
12
1963
9-2-0
Jim Koger
13
1964
10-1-0
Angelo Louisa
Associated Press
Bob Royce
Clyde Berryman
College Football USA
Edward Litkenhous
Montgomery Full Season Championship
United Press International
Washington Touchdown Club
14
1965
9-1-1
1st-N-Goal
Associated Press
Bob Kirlin
Century Football Index
College Football Researchers Association
David Wilson
Football Writers Association of America
Jim Koger
Massy Ratings
National Championship Foundation
Patrick Premo
15
1966
11-0-0
ARGH Power Ratings
Cliff Morgan
Clyde Berryman
Earl Jessen
National Championship Foundation
Soren Sorensen
16
1973
11-1-0
Bob Royce
Clyde Berryman
Edward Litkenhous
United Press International
Washington Touchdown Club
17
1974
11-1-0
Washington Touchdown Club
18
1975
11-1-0
ARGH Power Ratings
Bob Kirlin
Matthews Grid Ratings
19
1977
11-1-0
Bob Kirlin
College Football Researchers Association
20
1978
11-1-0
1st-N-Goal
Annual Football Predictions
Associated Press
Century Football Index
College Football Researchers Association
David Wilson
Football Writers Association of America
Foundation for the Analysis of Competitions and Tournaments
Helms Athletic Foundation
National Championship Foundation
National Football Foundation and Hall of Fame
New York Daily News
Nutshell Sports Football Ratings
21
1979
12-0-0
ARGH Power Ratings
Annual Football Predictions
Associated Press
Billingsley Report
Bob Kirlin
Bob Royce
Century Football Index
Cliff Morgan
Clyde Berryman
College and Pro Football Newsweekly
David Wilson
Dunkel System
Football News
Football Writers Association of America
Foundation for the Analysis of Competitions and Tournaments
Harry DeVold
Harry Frye
Helms Athletic Foundation
James Howell
Jeff Self
Loren Maxwell
Massy Ratings
Matthews Grid Ratings
Mel Smith
Montgomery Full Season Championship
National Championship Foundation
National Football Foundation and Hall of Fame
New York Times
Nutshell Sports Football Ratings
Patrick Premo
Poling System
Sagarin Ratings
The Sporting News
United Press International
22
1980
10-2-0
Annual Football Predictions
Montgomery Full Season Championship
23
1991
11-1-0
Annual Football Predictions
24
1992
13-0-0
1st-N-Goal
Angelo Louisa
Annual Football Predictions
ARGH Power Ratings
Associated Press
Billingsley Report
Century Football Index
Clyde Berryman
College Football Researchers Association
David Wilson
DKC Ratings
Dunkel System
Football News
Football Writers Association of America
Foundation for the Analysis of Competitions and Tournaments
Gupta Power Ratings
Harry DeVold
Harry Frye
James Howell
James Whalen
Jeff Self
Massy Ratings
Matthews Grid Ratings
National Championship Foundation
New York Times
Nutshell Sports Football Ratings
Patrick Premo
Peter Wolfe
Quality Champions
Soren Sorensen
Sparks Achievement Ratings
Sports Illustrated
Steve Eck
SW!-TECH Computer Ratings
The College Football Statistics Quarterly
The Fleming System
The Sporting News
United Press International/National Football Foundation
USA Today/CNN
Washington Touchdown Club
25
1994
12-1-0
Annual Football Predictions
Championship Years
So frick all y'all.
This post was edited on 12/4/09 at 10:48 pm
Posted on 12/4/09 at 10:49 pm to DvlsAdvocat
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Ahhh...but what if in the "new" system, polls are totally not incorporated? Then your "silly BCS titles" could be dismissed as being based on nothing more than a popularity contest that established who was going to have the best chance to get to the title game before the first kickoff of the season (a'la Auburn 2004)....
But they were/are consistent in using the same formula for voting the national championship: After all the bowl games and recognized by the conferences of the FBS.
Even if the end results are not the same (i.e. 2003 or any difference in computer vs. human polls) these "rules" have been accepted and approved by all 119 schools in the FBS.
I'm sure the Helms Athletic Foundation was recognized and approved by all conferences...
Posted on 12/4/09 at 10:51 pm to Alahunter
quote:
2003 USC - AP
The timing and the method of voting was/is recognized by all.
USC didn't win the 2003 AP trophy in 2008.
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