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re: SEC West next 3-5 years
Posted on 7/19/19 at 10:05 am to kajunman
Posted on 7/19/19 at 10:05 am to kajunman
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You make your own luck in life. Miles left the qb cupboard empty. O went and got Burrow.
Miles left Orgeron a NFL QB and handed him a recruiting class that had 2 4* QBs committed.
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O recognized the offense couldn't compete and went and hired Joe Brady. Les wouldn't let go of Cam.
Do you not see the irony in this statement. Miles gets shite for "not letting go" of Cam Cameron but Orgeron gets credit for holding onto to Ensminger and hiring an offensive assistant?
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That LSU recruits itself is blatantly false. O line and d line recruiting had fallen off under Miles. No marquee rb last season.
Miles left Orgeron Fournette & Guice and was a serious contender for Cam Akers. Not to mention Etienne was practically begging LSU for an offer.
It's now Miles' fault that Orgeron didn't sign a marquee RB talent until his 3rd recruiting class?
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This season will be a defining one for Ed as he has the pieces to have a great season. When he took over LSU he had little to work with.
This is so fricking dumb it's hard to respond to. LSU had 2 straight top 5 recruiting classes when Orgeron arrived.
Your responses are why the LSU fan base is torn. Instead of just saying, "Orgeron is doing a decent job" you have to tear down the previous coach to try and build up Orgeron. It's absolutely ridiculous.
This post was edited on 7/19/19 at 10:09 am
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Posted on 7/19/19 at 10:18 am to RidiculousHype
I will be curious to see of the new offense reflects in on field toughness for LSU. It makes a difference what you go against every day in practice. I don't think it will show this year but it may after year 2 or so.
Posted on 7/19/19 at 11:03 am to AgBQ00
You don’t think the Lsu defense has on the field toughness?
Posted on 7/19/19 at 11:15 am to RidiculousHype
quote:If anything CEO can pin point the deficiencies and he fixes them quick. He knows the level of talent it takes to compete in this conference, and he will work like crazy for LSU.
That’s the thing though. We had that deep down feeling when he was named permanent HC in November 2016. Yet, here we are in 2019 and he’s coming off a 10-win season, top-10 finish, and back to back top-5 recruiting classes. He corrected some of the boneheaded things we used to do under Miles which has been very welcomed. I think LSU fans who pay close attention are mildly surprised and want to see what 2019 brings. We should be fairly loaded.
Posted on 7/19/19 at 11:17 am to RT1941
i actually think his management of the team is something LSU needed. His biggest challenge in the future is what he will do when Aranda eventually leaves.
Posted on 7/19/19 at 11:19 am to RidiculousHype
My take-
TAMU becomes a serious threat to Bama. Like him or not, Jimbo can recruit and coach.
Bama will continue to be at/near the top as Nick can coach. Even as he gets older and teams use that against him in recruiting, the “mystique” and heritage of Bama will still pull in top classes.
LSU will remain LSU until they learn how to actually use all that WR talent they stockpile. Not sure whether it’s coaching or QB play, but that disconnect needs to be fixed.
Arkansas ceases to be an easy out. Chad knows how to run a fast break O even without stellar OL play. But he also puts a lot of heat on his D, so that limits his ceiling.
Auburn gives up and moves to the east.
About the Mississippi’s, I got nothing.
TAMU becomes a serious threat to Bama. Like him or not, Jimbo can recruit and coach.
Bama will continue to be at/near the top as Nick can coach. Even as he gets older and teams use that against him in recruiting, the “mystique” and heritage of Bama will still pull in top classes.
LSU will remain LSU until they learn how to actually use all that WR talent they stockpile. Not sure whether it’s coaching or QB play, but that disconnect needs to be fixed.
Arkansas ceases to be an easy out. Chad knows how to run a fast break O even without stellar OL play. But he also puts a lot of heat on his D, so that limits his ceiling.
Auburn gives up and moves to the east.
About the Mississippi’s, I got nothing.
This post was edited on 7/19/19 at 11:30 am
Posted on 7/19/19 at 11:20 am to jimdog
quote:Between LSU & Auburn, which one's cutting ahtletic budgets, doesn't have facilities to compete with the top SEC schools, has a HC perpetually on the hot seat and finds a way to average 5 loses a year while he pulls classes hovering around the top 10 every yr?
LSU has no excuse for not being about as good as anyone in America. The leadership has been in place one time in the relative recent past. Saban. And the fans basically ran him off. A football mad environment with tremendous athletes in state and zero competition in state for them. But they are perpetually dogged by a lack of something. Now it's money. At some point you have to call it like it is: the people there and somehow he culture is not conducive to sustaining a program that reaches it's full potential, Hell of a program but perpetually just short. Orgeron has closed the gap but????
And you are wrong about AU. They are survivors. Share a state about the same size as La with the old South wealthy and heritage loaded program in Tuscaloosa yet they thrive. Why? Because of their culture of doing what they must to do so. And an extra drive and energy from doing so. Plus Georgia and Florida. They pick around the edges of those states recruiting athletes (and students) who their culture appeals to and those schools can't take them all. They're both better lead and smarter and moreover possess more drive than do most. So they won't dominate but they will be in the game. A&M has money and is a player. They will "some years" be in the mix for the top. The Mississippi schools have to cheat which is fine as long as they keep it in state. It's when they go outside and step on toes that they get in trouble. So they are limited. Arky has a people problem.
Posted on 7/19/19 at 11:34 am to geauxnavybeatbama
As of now yes they do. How the new system impacts that over the course of a few years...I don't know
Posted on 7/19/19 at 11:40 am to A LeBlanc
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Where is aggy telling us about that monster Jimbo is building?
I do know if you aren't LSU, Bama or Auburn you probably won't be winning any SEC West Championships.
You are predictable, sip. Just be glad Herman and his crew of BDF rejects don't play our schedule. And go away little man.
Posted on 7/19/19 at 11:47 am to sand mountainDvalues
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He hasn’t won a single game in his tenure at LSU that Miles wouldn’t have been expected to win.
Did you miss the LSU-Georgia game last year?
Posted on 7/19/19 at 11:52 am to RidiculousHype
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Not that my method is more valid than yours, but I was just going by 247 overall rankings for 2019 and 2020, which has Auburn behind LSU & TAMU. I do see Auburn’s average star ranking puts them higher. The lower quantity is what’s dragging their overall rankings down a bit.
But being objective, you have to put Auburn’s outlook slightly behind LSU’s and TAMU’s for the next 3-5 years. Mostly because Gus’ job is not as secure as Orgeron and Fisher’s. Now, we’re just dealing in probabilities here. They could fire Gus and hire Urban Meyer and rip off 3 straight West titles for all we know.
Clemson has been killing it with lower rankings, but high star value. I'd argue it's more important than overall class ranking.
I wouldn't say that at all. Coaching changes can energize programs, etc....as easily as it can set things back a bit. Kirby is a wonderful example of this reality. There is plenty of talent at Auburn...like A&M and LSU it isn't on the same level as bama or uga currently but it's close enough to compete.
Posted on 7/19/19 at 12:02 pm to RT1941
Eliminate the U of A and give Auburn the state of Alabama as a single SEC school like LSU has in La and hide and watch what happens.
Posted on 7/19/19 at 12:04 pm to jimdog
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Eliminate the U of A and give Auburn the state of Alabama as a single SEC school like LSU has in La and hide and watch what happens
Then you’d essentially have Ohio State.
Posted on 7/19/19 at 12:11 pm to sand mountainDvalues
quote:I can think of one.
He hasn’t won a single game in his tenure at LSU that Miles wouldn’t have been expected to win
Posted on 7/19/19 at 12:17 pm to jimdog
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Eliminate the U of A and give Auburn the state of Alabama as a single SEC school like LSU has in La and hide and watch what happens.
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jimdog
Your takes are becoming increasingly ignorant.
Posted on 7/19/19 at 1:25 pm to RB10
LOL! And some of you guys are increasingly left fumbling and mumbling and short of answers.
Posted on 7/19/19 at 8:34 pm to jimdog
People need subtitles when Orgeron speaks. The dude is a moron
Posted on 7/19/19 at 10:38 pm to RidiculousHype
Whoever has the best QBs will win the SEC. That is usually how it has gone the last 15 years.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 1:12 am to momentoftruth87
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Orgeron gets the benefit of good talent at LSU. Hes a motivator, not a national championship coach.
LSU has a pretty nice schedule this year too. Not too weak, not that difficult.
Hes kinda the guy that has lucked out his entire career to be where he is.
Miles needed replaced, but firing him and then putting Ed O in charge is truly insulting for what Les did. He should have a Statue, instead, hes coaching football at Kansas because he loves the game.
No knocks personally on Ed, if that's how it seems. Stand up guy, but he really is lucky and fallen into good situations that he shouldn't be in.
Agree with each point and the tone in which they were stated. Great post.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 1:38 am to Tigerman97
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Clemson has been killing it with lower rankings, but high star value. I'd argue it's more important than overall class ranking.
I wouldn't say that at all. Coaching changes can energize programs, etc....as easily as it can set things back a bit. Kirby is a wonderful example of this reality. There is plenty of talent at Auburn...like A&M and LSU it isn't on the same level as bama or uga currently but it's close enough to compete.
Clemson has been "killing it" with overall talent evaluation and great QBs (Boyd, Watson, Lawrence - you saw what happened with a "good" QB in '17 with Bryant. A mediocre Bama D strangled them. Dabo knew that and went with Lawrence as soon as he could). Avg star ranking can be very misleading. But the bottom line is that, as you said, AU has more than enough talent to compete. Bama's main advantage isn't really the rankings, it's Saban's ability to evaluate talent, then develop it. Gus falls short in both of those areas but again, AU has enough to compete.
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