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re: SEC Returning Offensive Production per stat area (per The Athletic)
Posted on 7/22/20 at 8:33 am to bfniii
Posted on 7/22/20 at 8:33 am to bfniii
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again, if you actually believe this, then you're just not very bright. you're looking at the stats at a very surface level, very narrow view.
Ok, then tell me where you think LSU's offensive line experience level should rank in the SEC compared to other teams returning experience using the broad, deep and bright view that you are using.
This post was edited on 7/22/20 at 8:36 am
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Posted on 7/22/20 at 8:35 am to bfniii
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because, on the surface, it suggests that lsu is going to be near last in the conference in offense
It doesn't suggest that at all, and anyone interpreting it that way seemingly hadn't paid attention to preseason football stats for a decade.
We discuss these stats every year. Every year one or two elite programs are near the bottom. Nobody ever says "LOOK GUYS ALABAMA IS GONNA FINISH 87TH!".
Posted on 7/22/20 at 8:49 am to bfniii
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during garbage time
see, this is the lack of context. go watch his throws. the guy has proven he's good. can he do it all season? who knows but it's not like he's stepping on to the field without any experience or maturity.
Your definition for experienced is different than everyone in this thread. Just because his throws are good in garbage doesn’t mean he’ll be good in the crunch.
Posted on 7/22/20 at 9:44 am to bfniii
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if you would just look at lsu's roster and the experience, you would see there isn't a position on the offense where lsu is returning a "green" player. not one except for perhaps one oline position and possibly te. even a player like brennan has been in the program for multiple years. he's not a green, freshman qb like bo nix.
you people are making this WAY harder than it is
You still don't understand the stats in this thread. I don't know why. I will try to explain it again.
The Athletic tracked every play from the 2019-2020 season. They created stats of offensive production for the 2019-2020 season. The only stats they counted were games played in 2019-2020. So a player could be a three year starter, but they only count the stats from 2019-2020.
It's not opinion, misleading or slanted to one team over another. It's does not take into account talent, number of stars a player had coming out of high school, or hope. It's just stats. If a player stepped on the field during the 2019-2020 season and is returning for the 2020-2021 season it was counted.
This post was edited on 7/22/20 at 11:55 am
Posted on 7/22/20 at 11:39 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Ok, then tell me where you think LSU's offensive line experience level should rank in the SEC compared to other teams returning experience using the broad, deep and bright view that you are using.
Posted on 7/22/20 at 11:47 am to SummerOfGeorge
I don't know how you carried on with him that long 
Posted on 7/22/20 at 12:18 pm to rockiee
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I don't know how you carried on with him that long
I'm still waiting on his answer to this question - I legitimately would like to know
Posted on 7/22/20 at 12:42 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Jesus, it's still the same argument?
The stats are the stats. It's just a starting point to a bigger conversation about the upcoming season. As you pointed out, a lot of teams can say that the stats are a little misleading. But, that’s kind of the point IMO. I wouldn't expect people to know that our starting left guard missed almost all of last year and that he will return this season. I don't see why anyone would get so upset about this.
The stats are the stats. It's just a starting point to a bigger conversation about the upcoming season. As you pointed out, a lot of teams can say that the stats are a little misleading. But, that’s kind of the point IMO. I wouldn't expect people to know that our starting left guard missed almost all of last year and that he will return this season. I don't see why anyone would get so upset about this.
Posted on 7/22/20 at 7:45 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Nothing?
Posted on 7/28/20 at 10:51 am to SummerOfGeorge
quote:i couldn't care less about that stupid qualifier you are using and i've explained that multiple times. o released the starting o line. go look at it and see for yourself. they aren't "green" or "inexperienced" or any such garbage. my original statement is the same - lsu will field an offense that is experienced and proven productive at basically every position. if you can't understand that, then maybe you need to go back to elementary school
tell me where you think LSU's offensive line experience level should rank in the SEC compared to other teams returning experience using the broad, deep and bright view that you are using.
Posted on 7/28/20 at 10:54 am to Porter Osborne Jr
quote:and your perspective is the same as non lsu rantards that think lsu "lost a lot" on offense from last season. lsu fans, even itt, have been trying to explain how that's not true
Your definition for experienced is different than everyone in this thread
quote:did i say anything different? no. but i added that it doesn't matter at what point in the game they were thrown. he's made tough throws. there's no reason to think a seasoned player who can accomplish that won't be good.
Just because his throws are good in garbage doesn’t mean he’ll be good in the crunch.
Posted on 7/28/20 at 10:55 am to graves1
quote:i have stated repeatedly i couldn't care less about the op stat because it's misleading. i understand it perfectly. multiple lsu people have been trying to explain this and rantards are just being hardheaded. BUT BUT THE STAT
You still don't understand the stats in this thread
Posted on 7/28/20 at 10:58 am to TigerLunatik
quote:because it doesn't fit the wishful thinking narrative that lsu lost all of the offense last season. didn't you know that brady actually played every position except qb, scored every td AND coached from the booth? all the experience is gone. stats say so.
I don't see why anyone would get so upset about this
Posted on 7/28/20 at 11:02 am to bfniii
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o released the starting o line. go look at it and see for yourself. they aren't "green" or "inexperienced" or any such garbage.
So, again, where would you put them, 1-14, in the SEC in terms of returning experience - however you want to define it (ignore the stats, is what I'm saying).
This post was edited on 7/28/20 at 11:05 am
Posted on 7/28/20 at 12:10 pm to bfniii
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i have stated repeatedly i couldn't care less about the op stat because it's misleading.
How are the stats misleading?
Posted on 7/28/20 at 12:33 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
I love this thread.
The main one that is a little misleading for LSU is the OL production because we had a starter that missed almost the entire season in '19 and others that got pretty significant playing time in '18 because of injury. But again, as Georgie pointed out, a lot of teams can say the same thing. The thing about these stats is that just because LSU is relatively inexperienced compared to the rest of the conference doesn't mean that the players are going to crumble on the field. It's not meant as an insult or at least I didn't take it that way.
Eta: We also have a grad transfer with 30 starts coming in that as of today is the starting center. But, that's obviously not set in stone. That would move one of our other players that got some experience to right guard instead of playing a redshirt freshman there.
The main one that is a little misleading for LSU is the OL production because we had a starter that missed almost the entire season in '19 and others that got pretty significant playing time in '18 because of injury. But again, as Georgie pointed out, a lot of teams can say the same thing. The thing about these stats is that just because LSU is relatively inexperienced compared to the rest of the conference doesn't mean that the players are going to crumble on the field. It's not meant as an insult or at least I didn't take it that way.
Eta: We also have a grad transfer with 30 starts coming in that as of today is the starting center. But, that's obviously not set in stone. That would move one of our other players that got some experience to right guard instead of playing a redshirt freshman there.
This post was edited on 7/28/20 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 7/28/20 at 12:49 pm to TigerLunatik
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The thing about these stats is that just because LSU is relatively inexperienced compared to the rest of the conference doesn't mean that the players are going to crumble on the field. It's not meant as an insult or at least I didn't take it that way.
Yea - and outside of trolls, nobody has said anything remotely close to this either. Most, like myself, say the opposite
Posted on 7/28/20 at 12:55 pm to SummerOfGeorge
In other threads some people have been acting like Brennan is going to line up under the guard, the running backs are gonna go to the wrong sideline and the lineman are gonna face the wrong endzone.
Posted on 7/28/20 at 1:00 pm to TigerLunatik
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In other threads some people have been acting like Brennan is going to line up under the guard, the running backs are gonna go to the wrong sideline and the lineman are gonna face the wrong endzone.
THEY AIN'T HAD PRACTICE THEY WON'T EVEN KNOW WHICH TEAM THEY IS ON PAWL
Posted on 7/28/20 at 1:01 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Receiving Yards
12. Tennessee (31%)
While it isn't a huge difference. UT will return Jordan Murphy, who sat out 2019 (what would have been his Junior season) to redshirt. Even when you add his receiving yards from 2018 to the 2019 numbers, UT would have an additional 6% receiving yards...taking them up to 37%. Still in 12th place, but a bit closer to 11th.
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