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re: SEC Returning Offensive Production per stat area (per The Athletic)
Posted on 7/21/20 at 12:56 pm to graves1
Posted on 7/21/20 at 12:56 pm to graves1
quote:it's been explained. perhaps you're having trouble understanding it as well. lsu is not going to be "inexperienced" on offense in 2020. not even close, except for te if gilbert starts. lsu returns experienced production at basically every position. highly recruited players who have played significant minutes and performed well. even *GASP* brennan has looked really good
It's about Returning offensive production. It's not a predictions of the upcoming year. It's not opinion based. It's just stats of what you have coming back. SOG didn't create it, The Athletic did.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 12:58 pm to bfniii
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lsu is not going to be "inexperienced" on offense in 2020
Alright, sounds good
2019 Game Averages - Passing (returners)
Myles Brennan - 2/3, 24 yards, 0.3 TD. 0.3 INT (30 passes in 2017 & 2018 total) (most passes in a single game in career = 12 vs Georgia Southern)
2019 Game Averages - Rushing (returners)
Price/Emery/Curry - 9 carries, 45 YPG, 4.8 YPA, 0.7 TD per Game (no stats prior to 2019)
2019 Game Averages - Starts Offensive Line (returners)
1.1 average starts per game (5 OL starters)
This post was edited on 7/21/20 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 7/21/20 at 1:11 pm to bfniii
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it's been explained. perhaps you're having trouble understanding it as well. lsu is not going to be "inexperienced" on offense in 2020. not even close, except for te if gilbert starts. lsu returns experienced production at basically every position. highly recruited players who have played significant minutes and performed well. even *GASP* brennan has looked really good
You clearly don't understand what this article was about. I will try to explain.
The Athletic tracked every play from the 2019-2020 season. Turned those into stats. Every snap, pass, run,and every play. So just for example, 94% of the passes for LSU were thrown by Burrow. He is not Returning for the 2020-2021 season. 6% of the passes were thrown by Brennan. He is Returning for the 2020-2021 season. So LSU's Returning Offensive Passing Stat for the 2020-2021 season would be 6%. That does not mean LSU is going to only throw the ball 6% of the time or that Brennan is only going to complete 6% of his passes. It's just a stat of what you have returning.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 1:15 pm to bfniii
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only for someone who hasn't watched. when brennan has been in, he's proven he's good
Proving you're good during garbage time doesn't mean he'll be good during crunch time. Again, we'll have to wait and see.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 1:30 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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2019 Game Averages - Starts Offensive Line (returners)
1.1 average starts per game (5 OL starters)
This is a little misleading. LT has started 2 games at least. LG started every game I believe in 2018. C has started a a few as well between 2018 and 2019. RG will probably be a redshirt freshman and RT has started a bunch of games. We also have a grad transfer that has started 30 games even though it was at Harvard.
Not saying that it's a ton of experience, but there seems to be more there than what that stat is letting on.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:25 pm to SummerOfGeorge
quote:so you admit you were wrong. thanks.
The only running back on your roster that got anything more than spot touches was Chris Curry
also tdp did not get "spot touches" turd. even emory was in for entire drives. but you knew that already didn't you
quote:i explained it to you.
How is that all over the place?
quote:this has been explained to you. you are trying to make a point without context. go read the responses to you again. well, nevermind. it probably won't help.
are you under the impression that 29% is a lot?
quote:you're just being obtuse.
No, we don't know it.
quote:you are still wrong
They are talented but not experienced.
quote:i'm not doing your homework for you. go watch the games. read the box scores. they got plenty of carries and were really good. all three of them
please detail all this experience that I am apparently missing from your returning running backs
quote:here you go with the bullcrap again. "some"
they played some in 2018
quote:ok pal. keep thinking this.
LSU's OL is clearly one of the least experienced lines in the SEC
quote:that's not an opinion. that's a fact. lsu is returning PLENTY of experience and production at EVERY position unless gilbert starts. it's been explained to you. even brennan has been in the program for 3 years now.
your opinion is that 2020 LSU has an "experienced" offense going into the season?
my word you are dense
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:32 pm to bfniii
If you stuck george’s Brain in a chicken, it would walk backwards and eat it’s own shitt
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:33 pm to SummerOfGeorge
quote:look, if you can't watch the games and see for yourself, then you can't be helped. just keep being stupid
Your 3 returning running backs have a grand total of 9 carries per game
quote:and has been in the program for multiple years. you must be allergic to context.
Your starting QB has thrown 21 passes vs SEC teams
quote:that's not the discussion. the discussion is that lsu is not "green" like you are making them out to be. not at any position on the offense except for gilbert (superstar recruit) if he starts and possibly one oline position.
you realize that experience level does not equal how good the team will be, right?
quote:i know that what you are trying to say is wrong and it's been explained to you in a way a child can understand. the stat in the op is VERY misleading regarding lsu
you clearly just don't understand what this whole stat thing is
quote:you can go back and see the posts for yourself. they're not hidden
that doesn't mean it's been "explained".
quote:so you don't understand what was said to you. that's all you had to say
LOL, good lord
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:35 pm to bfniii
Yeah baw get em stats are dumb
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:38 pm to graves1
quote:it's not "me." multiple people have explained how the op is misleading regarding lsu. for some reason, certain people are having trouble understanding the context.
You clearly don't understand what this article was about
quote:if you would just look at lsu's roster and the experience, you would see there isn't a position on the offense where lsu is returning a "green" player. not one except for perhaps one oline position and possibly te. even a player like brennan has been in the program for multiple years. he's not a green, freshman qb like bo nix.
It's just a stat of what you have returning
you people are making this WAY harder than it is.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:39 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
quote:see, this is the lack of context. go watch his throws. the guy has proven he's good. can he do it all season? who knows but it's not like he's stepping on to the field without any experience or maturity.
Proving you're good during garbage time
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:54 pm to TigerLunatik
quote:this is at least the 2nd time it's been explained to george. just want to bump this for his reading convenience.
This is a little misleading. LT has started 2 games at least. LG started every game I believe in 2018. C has started a a few as well between 2018 and 2019. RG will probably be a redshirt freshman and RT has started a bunch of games. We also have a grad transfer that has started 30 games even though it was at Harvard
the rb's have carries and any person with a brain can see they are seriously talented.
the wr's are all world and the roster is deep
lsu returns senior pettigrew at te. played 13 games as a rs fr but has been hurt since. however, he might get beat out by gilbert.
even brennan is a multi year player in the program. made some really great throws last season, regardless of what point he played. if you watch him play, you can tell he's capable of being very good.
there. that's the entire offense. there's no obvious weak link. the roster is stacked at every position. pretty much every player has significant game experience. to say lsu returns basically no production is just stupid.
the vast majority of the stat in the op is burrow but it's not like brennan won't produce any stats of his own so the op is very, very misleading. even if brennan is 75% as good as burrow's historically great season, that will still be among the best in the nation, especially given the weapons around him. he has a TON of playmakers and a solid, experienced oline. oc returns. proven nfl passing game coordinator.
Posted on 7/22/20 at 7:23 am to bfniii
Look, clearly our definition of experience is different.
Yours is "they were on the field some". You also seem to be adding in these "you can tell they are good" arguments, which has absolutely zero to do with this discussion. At all. It's a completely different conversation.
Mine, and basically everyone else in the country is, relative to every other program in the country how much on the field experience do they return.
LSU's offensive experience is less than almost everyone else in the SEC. That isn't really up for debate, and I'd assume even you wouldn't argue that point?
LSU is going to be very good on offense, very good on defense and probably very good overall because their replacement players are very talented and they have good coaching. Those two things are not in contradiction with eachother.
Yours is "they were on the field some". You also seem to be adding in these "you can tell they are good" arguments, which has absolutely zero to do with this discussion. At all. It's a completely different conversation.
Mine, and basically everyone else in the country is, relative to every other program in the country how much on the field experience do they return.
LSU's offensive experience is less than almost everyone else in the SEC. That isn't really up for debate, and I'd assume even you wouldn't argue that point?
LSU is going to be very good on offense, very good on defense and probably very good overall because their replacement players are very talented and they have good coaching. Those two things are not in contradiction with eachother.
This post was edited on 7/22/20 at 7:27 am
Posted on 7/22/20 at 7:33 am to bfniii
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the vast majority of the stat in the op is burrow but it's not like brennan won't produce any stats of his own so the op is very, very misleading
It's only misleading to people who want to be misled. Nobody with a brain looks at those stats and thinks "Wow, Vanderbilt is going to have 0 passing yards this year."
If you fail the basic understand of how to read "returning production" type stats and how they are used then just avoid the thread.
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multiple people have explained how the op is misleading regarding lsu
THESE ARE LITERALLY STATS FROM THE ATHLETIC AND ESPN
Good grief man. And Alabama could argue that these Defensive Production stats are unfair to them as they do not include Dylan Moses' starts and production from prior years, nor do they account for the missed starts by half the defensive line last year. But so could about 3/4 of the league for different reasons.
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lsu is returning a "green" player. not one except for perhaps one oline position and possibly te
You realize that almost every other school in the SEC could make similar claims about their replacements, right? Do you think that every SEC replacement for a departed starters is a true freshman who is just walking onto campus?
Again, you seem to have different expectations of what this stat is supposed to represent. Under your method, returning "production" (or whatever you would call it) would basically be 100% for every school in the SEC.
This post was edited on 7/22/20 at 7:43 am
Posted on 7/22/20 at 7:41 am to SummerOfGeorge
quote:
Pass Yards
7. Alabama (34%)
Abusrd - Alabama is returning a QB who started against Arkansas, Auburn and Michigan and put up good numbers. This number is bullshite!
quote:
Receiving Yards
5. Alabama (57%)
Alabama is bringing back all veterans to replace the starters who have time in the program and everyone knows are talented. They have played lots of productive snaps as well. Stupid!
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OL Starts
6. Alabama (74%)
LOL, what a joke. Alabama is replacing 1 offensive linemen with a guy who has multiple starts and 3 years in the program. 6th? Ridiculous!
I could do this for every school in the SEC. This stat doesn't measure things the way you measure things. Like I said, in your measurement system basically everyone in the SEC would be 100% at every position group as long as they aren't starting true freshmen.
This post was edited on 7/22/20 at 7:46 am
Posted on 7/22/20 at 7:52 am to SummerOfGeorge
Look everyone Tard George is talking to himself!
Did you convince anyone aTm was going to win the SEC Total Offense War in 2020.
Your Gumps are gonna take it in the @$$ in Nov again — This after GA & TN et al work over that 0-talent mutt you have at QB
Squealing you’ll Gumps emit will have to be carefully harmonized into a Rant Symphony with me as your conductor.
Your espn FPI element breakdown is kindygarden crap Baw
Did you convince anyone aTm was going to win the SEC Total Offense War in 2020.
Your Gumps are gonna take it in the @$$ in Nov again — This after GA & TN et al work over that 0-talent mutt you have at QB
Squealing you’ll Gumps emit will have to be carefully harmonized into a Rant Symphony with me as your conductor.
Your espn FPI element breakdown is kindygarden crap Baw
Posted on 7/22/20 at 7:53 am to PokeyTiger
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Your Gumps are gonna take it in the @$$ in Nov again
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Squealing you’ll Gumps emit
This post was edited on 7/22/20 at 7:53 am
Posted on 7/22/20 at 8:07 am to SummerOfGeorge
I like that portrayal Clown George!
The big red nose is rosacea, a sign of hardcore alcoholics — We don’t touch it
I’m guessing by your projection that you are an alcoholic — That’s sad you should quit
The big red nose is rosacea, a sign of hardcore alcoholics — We don’t touch it
I’m guessing by your projection that you are an alcoholic — That’s sad you should quit
Posted on 7/22/20 at 8:08 am to PokeyTiger
quote:
The big red nose is rosacea, a sign of hardcore alcoholics — We don’t touch it
I’m guessing by your projection that you are an alcoholic — That’s sad you should quit
Lies are the devil Pokey
Posted on 7/22/20 at 8:31 am to SummerOfGeorge
quote:yeah, yours is in agreement with the op, which is stupid. sure, in a very narrow statistical way, it's true. but any reasonable, sane person knows lsu isn't going to trot out the equivalent of 6% of last year's passing offense. that's just dumb
Look, clearly our definition of experience is different.
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Yours is "they were on the field some".
quote:you don't even understand the discussion. it's about production and lsu's players have proven they are productive. instead of wasting everyone's time, all you have to do is watch the games to understand. everyone gets the op stat. the discussion is why it's pretty much meaningless regarding lsu
You also seem to be adding in these "you can tell they are good" arguments, which has absolutely zero to do with this discussion.
quote:again, if you actually believe this, then you're just not very bright. you're looking at the stats at a very surface level, very narrow view.
LSU's offensive experience is less than almost everyone else in the SEC. That isn't really up for debate, and I'd assume even you wouldn't argue that point?
quote:i have explained lsu's returning offensive players and positions to you. i couldn't care less about the stat in the op and i understand it perfectly well. the whole point is how misleading it is. if you think it actually means something in real life, you're just not smart because, on the surface, it suggests that lsu is going to be near last in the conference in offense. you acknowledge that point but then keep arguing that lsu isn't returning any production. no one cares because any person with half a brain can see that stat needs A LOT of context.
It's only misleading to people who want to be misled. Nobody with a brain looks at those stats and thinks "Wow, Vanderbilt is going to have 0 passing yards this year."
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