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re: SEC Returning Offensive Production per stat area (per The Athletic)
Posted on 7/21/20 at 9:16 am to PokeyTiger
Posted on 7/21/20 at 9:16 am to PokeyTiger
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More cherry picking meaningless stats.
How did last year’s stats compare with finish
Did you even bother to show that ...
LSU was #6 in returning production amongst P5 teams last year and #1 amongst teams that had a legitimate shot at winning a national title
2019 Returning Production Rank - Top 10 Returning P5 (Change in wins from 2018 to 2019)
1. Tennessee (+3 wins)
2. Minnesota (+4 wins)
3. Virginia Tech (+2 wins)
4. Indiana (+3 wins)
5. Florida St (+1 win)
6. LSU (+5 wins)
7. Illinois (+2 wins)
8. Baylor (+4 wins)
9. Utah (+2 wins)
10. Oregon State (+3 wins)
Every P5 team in the top 10 of returning production added wins - all but FSU (who fired their coach) added at least 2 wins. 6 of the 10 added at least 3 wins.
2019 Returning Production Rank - Bottom 10 Returning P5 (Change in wins from 2018 to 2019)
1. Texas (-2 wins)
2. Georgia Tech (-4 wins)
3. Washington (-2 wins)
4. Ole Miss (-1 win)
5. Kentucky (-2 wins)
6. Kansas (no change)
7. Boston College (-1 win)
8. NC State (-5 wins)
9. Stanford (-5 wins)
10. Duke (-3 wins)
9 of the 10 had less wins than the year before (only Kansas had the same). 7 of the 10 had a 2 or more win loss change.
So, 19 of the 20 in the top/bottom 10 of returning production added/lost wins from their prior season.
So, you tell me how they compared with finish.
This post was edited on 7/21/20 at 9:35 am
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Posted on 7/21/20 at 9:22 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Every P5 team in the top 10 of returning production added wins - all but FSU (who fired their coach) added at least 2 wins. 6 of the 10 added at least 3 wins.
That has a lot to do with those teams returning a lot of “production” that was starting as younger players the year before because their team wasn’t that good.
Only a few of those teams were actually that good offensively. LSU being an obvious exception.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 9:25 am to SummerOfGeorge
All this tells me is Bama is middle of the pack in everything other than running production but yet they are a shoe in to win the SEC. If that doesn’t scream biased idk what does. Never said LSU was gonna win but if you are going to knock them for losing a shite ton of players than why not so the same with Bama becuase they lost just about as much as LSU did including their GOAT qb.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 9:28 am to Crowknowsbest
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That has a lot to do with those teams returning a lot of “production” that was starting as younger players the year before because their team wasn’t that good.
That's kind of the point. Returning production isn't the end all be all, but very rarely do teams return almost nothing and just pick back up and rip through their schedule again. The only team that has come close to that is Alabama, and even then there were very fear years when they lost the amount of production LSU lost. It doesn't mean you won't be any good, it means that it is understandable to take a small step back.
LSU's 42% returning, by Connelly's formula, would be the lowest in the last 3 years for a P5 school
1. 2020 LSU (42%)
2. 2018 Louisville (46%)
3. 2018 Colorado (47%)
4. 2018 LSU (48%)
4. 2019 Texas (48%)
They'll still be very good because their replacement players are talented, NFL level dudes and they have a great staff. But the level of turnover there is huge, even for a high-level program that has lots of NFL defections like Alabama, UGA, LSU, Ohio State, Clemson, etc.
This post was edited on 7/21/20 at 9:32 am
Posted on 7/21/20 at 9:30 am to TexasTiger88
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becuase they lost just about as much as LSU did
That clearly doesn't make any sense
Posted on 7/21/20 at 9:38 am to SummerOfGeorge
This year nationally, FYI, the Top/Bottom 10 per Connelly's formula
2020 TOP 10 RETURNING P5
1. Northwestern
2. Georgia Tech
3. Southern Cal
4. Virginia Tech
5. Oklahoma State
6. Indiana
7. Illinois
8. Louisville
9. Rutgers
10. Texas A&M
2020 BOTTOM 10 RETURNING P5
1. Utah
2. LSU
3. Kansas
4. Michigan
5. Michigan St
6. Colorado
7. Wake Forest
8. Mississippi St (this was when Hill was gone, so they are probably not this low anymore)
9. Baylor
10. Syracuse
2020 TOP 10 RETURNING P5
1. Northwestern
2. Georgia Tech
3. Southern Cal
4. Virginia Tech
5. Oklahoma State
6. Indiana
7. Illinois
8. Louisville
9. Rutgers
10. Texas A&M
2020 BOTTOM 10 RETURNING P5
1. Utah
2. LSU
3. Kansas
4. Michigan
5. Michigan St
6. Colorado
7. Wake Forest
8. Mississippi St (this was when Hill was gone, so they are probably not this low anymore)
9. Baylor
10. Syracuse
Posted on 7/21/20 at 9:38 am to TexasTiger88
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why not so the same with Bama becuase they lost just about as much as LSU did including their GOAT qb.
You have a strange meaning of "about as much" if you think that is true
Posted on 7/21/20 at 9:41 am to SummerOfGeorge
quote:Still no. Someone had to take snaps for Arkansas last year. Doesn’t mean they’re good.
Looking at what is returning (prior year stats) paints a more complete picture.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 9:43 am to Solo Cam
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Still no. Someone had to take snaps for Arkansas last year. Doesn’t mean they’re good.
Bad teams that return experienced players almost always get better statistically, even if their coaching staff is meh. It doesn't mean they jump from #105 to #14, but it does mean they jump from #105 to #75. Georgia Tech probably isn't going to win 10 games this year. But they probably will win 4-5 games this year and improve statistically across the board.
On the flip side, teams that have great staffs and quality talent aren't going to drop from #2 on offense to #77 in all likelihood........but they very well might drop from #2 to #7.
This post was edited on 7/21/20 at 9:46 am
Posted on 7/21/20 at 9:48 am to SummerOfGeorge
LSU frickedddddd
UT Stackeddddd
UT Stackeddddd
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:03 am to SummerOfGeorge
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That clearly doesn't make any sense
The only teams that lost more than Bama’s 9 are LSU, Michigan and Ohio State. I’m confused how that’s not considered about the same. They both lost their GOAT qbs, they both lost one of their starting WRs, they both lost their #1 CB. They both lost their #1 safety. Did LSU lose a few more? Sure but how is that a considerable amount more than Bama?? Please enlighten me.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:08 am to TexasTiger88
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The only teams that lost more than Bama’s 9 are LSU, Michigan and Ohio State. I’m confused how that’s not considered about the same. They both lost their GOAT qbs, they both lost one of their starting WRs, they both lost their #1 CB. They both lost their #1 safety. Did LSU lose a few more? Sure but how is that a considerable amount more than Bama?? Please enlighten me.
Well for one Alabama returns all of our running backs and almost all of our offensive line while LSU returns almost no running backs with production and a smattering of offensive linemen who played in spots at times the last 2 years.
So, just starting there, I'd say that is a considerable difference.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:24 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Well for one Alabama returns all of our running backs and almost all of our offensive line while LSU returns almost no running backs with production and a smattering of offensive linemen who played in spots at times the last 2 years.
Rb is the easiest position transition from HS to college and 3 played. LSU has rb's much like Bama. Like Bama one will usually stand out more.
O line is not in dire straits like many predict. Ed Ingram started at guard as a true freshman. He missed a season and returned last season and played a lot. Deculus started all last season. Rosenthal played a lot. Charles (starting left OT) missed, I think, 6 games. These are more than just smatterings. It's not much different than Bama losing o linemen to the draft and having to replace with new starters. It usually takes Bama 4 or 5 games to get rolling on the o line with new starters. I think the same will happen with LSU. Still, like Bama there is enough talent to win while the o line develops.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:26 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Well for one Alabama returns all of our running backs and almost all of our offensive line while LSU returns almost no running backs with production and a smattering of offensive linemen who played in spots at times the last 2 years.
So, just starting there, I'd say that is a considerable difference.
Did we lose Clyde? Yes we did but we return all 3 of the other running backs that had touches last year including 2 highly rated sophomores in TDP and Emery. While we only return 1 “starter” on the offensive line, 2 of our projected starters have already been starters in previous seasons in Ingram and Hines while our projected starting LT, Rosenthal, played significant snaps last year including 1 start. So out of the starting line for this upcoming season, only one will have not played significant snaps.
Are they going to be better that Bama’s? No probably not but to act like we are going to have some shite o line and running back room is just plain ignorant. Besides we return more production on defense and should have arguably one of the best if not best defenses in the league. So once again how is Bama considered in a much better spot?
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:26 am to Mankowski
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Highly unlikely. You did lose Burrow, that’s a big one.
And Bama lost Tua. I'm high on Mac but he isn't better than Tua.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:30 am to TexasTiger88
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Yes we did but we return all 3 of the other running backs that had touches last year including 2 highly rated sophomores in TDP and Emery
You return 29% of your rush yards, which is near the very bottom of returning total rush yards (Alabama returns 94%). Talented, sure. Experienced, no, not at all. Which is the point of this thread and was the point of your "it's basically the same" response.
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While we only return 1 “starter” on the offensive line, 2 of our projected starters have already been starters in previous seasons in Ingram and Hines while our projected starting LT, Rosenthal, played significant snaps last year including 1 start. So out of the starting line for this upcoming season, only one will have not played significant snaps.
You return 21% of your offensive line starts from last year, which is only in front of Auburn in the P5 (Alabama returns 74%). Again, I'm sure the replacements will be solid, but at the very bottom (while Alabama is near the top). Again, the point of this thread and was the point of your "it's basically the same" response.
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act like we are going to have some shite o line and running back room is just plain ignorant
Absolutely nobody has said that. You seem to be the one who has taken "inexperienced" and equated it to "shite".
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So once again how is Bama considered in a much better spot?
I don't think many people see Alabama or anyone else in a "much better" spot. I think most people see Alabama as being in a "little better" spot. LSU is going to start the season ranked in the Top 10 - probably around 6-8. Alabama is going to start the season ranked somewhere around 3-4.
I haven't seen anyone other than trolls say they expect LSU to be shite at anything next year - just inexperienced across the board compared to a very experienced team the year before.
This post was edited on 7/21/20 at 10:34 am
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:35 am to bfniii
Yeah but just because it at LSU don’t mean nothing there has been so many years we beat y’all at yalls home stadium.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:38 am to Sonoflabamafan
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Yeah but just because it at LSU don’t mean nothing there has been so many years we beat y’all at yalls home stadium.
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1st post
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:57 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:58 am to rockiee
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Please do, your takes are always refreshing and welcome. Some can't handle the truth you deliver.
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