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re: SEC major bowl records (there are several surprises)
Posted on 7/16/18 at 10:53 am to NYCAuburn
Posted on 7/16/18 at 10:53 am to NYCAuburn
Rankings Entering the CoBo. (AP)
#1: 5
#2: 5
#3: 5
#4: 11
#5: 10
$6: 10
#7: 11
#8: 16
#9: 10
#10: 14
Out of 80 games, there have been 97 top 10 teams going into the game. About 60% of the teams that play in the CB are top 10 teams. It's not the Rose Bowl or Sugar Bowl, but its probably a major bowl by most definitions.
#1: 5
#2: 5
#3: 5
#4: 11
#5: 10
$6: 10
#7: 11
#8: 16
#9: 10
#10: 14
Out of 80 games, there have been 97 top 10 teams going into the game. About 60% of the teams that play in the CB are top 10 teams. It's not the Rose Bowl or Sugar Bowl, but its probably a major bowl by most definitions.
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Posted on 7/16/18 at 11:05 am to Farmer1906
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Out of 80 games, there have been 97 top 10 teams going into the game. About 60% of the teams that play in the CB are top 10 teams. It's not the Rose Bowl or Sugar Bowl, but its probably a major bowl by most definitions.
I get what you are saying and I would consider it a top bowl, but what about the other teams? In the current era, both teams would be top 10 in the majors.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 1:16 pm to TideFaninFl
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TideFaninFl
quote:Clemson last year was not a 1 vs 2 matchup, which was my list. It does go on the "wins vs number 1" list though. That brings Bama's record vs number 1 to 9-4.
I left off ND, but you left off Clemson of last year...
Posted on 7/16/18 at 1:27 pm to allin2010
Basically, Arkansas historically wins a lot of football games and also doesn't cheat - noted
Posted on 7/16/18 at 2:07 pm to tattoo
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Note 4: Most do not know how good Vaught was from the late 40s til the early 60s. No NC, but very close 3 times and 6 SEC titles. 1952-1963 4 top 5s, 8 top 7s, 10 top 11s. OM was who Alabama and Bryant had to dethrone in the SEC, not UT.
Vaught has 3 NCs.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 2:16 pm to Farmer1906
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Rankings Entering the CoBo. (AP)
#1: 5
#2: 5
#3: 5
#4: 11
#5: 10
$6: 10
#7: 11
#8: 16
#9: 10
#10: 14
Out of 80 games, there have been 97 top 10 teams going into the game. About 60% of the teams that play in the CB are top 10 teams. It's not the Rose Bowl or Sugar Bowl, but its probably a major bowl by most definitions.
It certainly was a major before the 95 season. That wasn't the case again though until the 2014 season. In fact, the Southwest champ was tied to the Sugar Bowl in 95.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 2:16 pm to DawgsLife
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DawgsLife
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I agree that LSU has a much better history than they get credit for. They've been solid.
However, I am not sure how 11-11-1 beats 10-8.
Just that making an appearance in a major bowl indicates a very good season. It's more 23 appearances vs 18. (I noted this in my OP.) To be fair to non-LSU programs, LSU did probably get a couple of invitations to the Sugar because they were in Louisiana, i.e., political considerations. Don't know that, but certainly possible. OTOH, they had a very good-great 9-1 (3 pt loss to #8 OM) team left at home in 1969. Coach Bryant (VERY pro-SEC and pro-Coach McClendon, he played and coached for Bryant) was incensed. I could be wrong, but that may have been what started Coach Bryant's arrangement of the SEC-Sugar tie-in. Even though LSU 4-1 did not win the title that year, UT at 5-1 did, though LSU was much better. UT lost 38-0 to OM.
I understand your point, but in this particular case, how much better is 56% than 50% in a small sample size? If you look at the individual games, LSU lost several where they were severely physically over-matched (esp vs Neb a few times), but were heroic in their loss. The guess is that UGA will pass them in a few years anyway.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 2:18 pm to NYCAuburn
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in and of itself, but you still got 1 year probation for the football violation. The coach lied and you got a harsher sentence because of it.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 2:18 pm to kczoutiger
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kczoutiger
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No, still considered major bowls
Not sure what to say to you but "No, there weren't". That I'm sure of.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 2:20 pm to DawgsLife
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Win %?
More hardware > less hardware
Posted on 7/16/18 at 2:21 pm to tattoo
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Just that making an appearance in a major bowl indicates a very good season. It's more 23 appearances vs 18.
Fair enough. Maybe I just misunderstood your post. I took it to mean that all things considered equal you went with bowl appearances.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 2:23 pm to lsupride87
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A coach that goes to 10 super bowls is 5-5 is far more accomplished and should be viewed higher than a coach that goes to only 7 and is 5-2......
This really reminds me of another argument but I just can't quite remember
Posted on 7/16/18 at 2:26 pm to Farmer1906
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Farmer1906
quote:The Cotton Bowl was a major bowl from its inception until 1995 after the SWC dissolved. It was not a major bowl from then til the 2014 season when it had become part of the CFP.
I guess you aren't counting to Cottom Bowl as a major bowl.
A&M's record in major bowls is 5-7. Not bad.
This post was edited on 7/16/18 at 6:58 pm
Posted on 7/16/18 at 2:40 pm to Landmass
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Landmass
quote:OM has no wire service (AP 1936-, UP/Coaches 1950-) poll NCs. That is how most in the media and most fans count them. If you start using all selectors, then we have chaos. Bama has been chosen by some selector(s) or another in 30 different seasons. They have 12 wire service, AP and/or Coaches NCs. They also count 4 pre 36 NCs where they went undefeated/untied (except for 26 tie with unblemished Stanford in RB and shared NC) and won the Rose Bowl. For some inexplicable reason (if they want to count some non-wire service NC there are many more deserving seasons) they chose to count 1941. I and many other Bama fans do not.
Vaught has 3 NCs.
Again, OM had some great seasons, but no wire service NCs. Bama was unblemished, 10-0 Rose Bowl champs in 45 and 2 time defending NCs and only unblemished team in 66 and claim neither because they did not win either wire service NC.
Obviously, anyone can count NCs however they like. I do it the way I described.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 2:58 pm to tattoo
Cotton bowl shouldn't be included as a major bowl.
Major bowls everyone agrees is Sugar, Orange, Rose and Fiesta
Major bowls everyone agrees is Sugar, Orange, Rose and Fiesta
Posted on 7/16/18 at 3:07 pm to tattoo
...One of the best threads of the off season! (unfortunately for us all, there's been very little competition. ). It's always fun to discuss the history of the SEC with folks who can go back at least to Coach Bryant's arrival on the scene.This post was edited on 7/16/18 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 7/16/18 at 3:12 pm to DawgsLife
quote:Which is what he should do
I took it to mean that all things considered equal you went with bowl appearances.
How are you arguing otherwise?
Posted on 7/16/18 at 3:13 pm to kbrake37
no...until bcs cotton was the major bowl...fiesta replaced cotton in those years
Posted on 7/16/18 at 3:18 pm to lsupride87
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Which is what he should do
How are you arguing otherwise?
I'm not.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 3:29 pm to allin2010
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allin2010
quote:My point is that you have posters who continuously harp on Bama's when their own backyard stinks to high heavens. Not trying to claim that Bama is pure or AU is the only violator. Just noting the incessant hypocrisy. Very few Bama fans note AU's crimes other than in response to AU charges. But you have a few who cannot enter a discussion that refers to any Bama success without resorting to "cheating" charges. And most are totally unsubstantiated. My occasional retort refers to publicly known violations and substantial charges vs your guys who fill the board with mostly baseless or vague charges.
Your Aubsession is showing. UGA and TAMU both have 7, Bama has 6.. We can compare the merits of each, but the facts remain 7 of the SEC schools have 6 or more major violations. Bammers hate facts...
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