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SEC major bowl records (there are several surprises)

Posted on 7/15/18 at 9:21 pm
Posted by tattoo
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Posted on 7/15/18 at 9:21 pm
This counts BCS and College Football Playoff games. Ties went to the program with the most appearances. I.e., it's an achievement to make an appearance. Major bowl games is much more of a program status indicator because the number has remained constant since 1935 (in 2014 it increased from 8 to 12 teams), while the others have increased dramatically in the past 30 years to the point of almost being meaningless. The W/L record carries weight because you are playing another very good opponent. Note that only 4 programs have a winning record and only one is more than 2 games over .500. Most are at or close to .500 except teams 8-10: Ark, AU, Mizz. But 10-15 games is a small sample size so you can't read too much into it.

1. Alabama: 26-17-1 (note 1)
2. LSU: 11-11-1 (note 2)
3. UGA: 10-8
4. Tenn: 8-11 (note 3)
5. UF: 8-7
6. OM: 7-7 (note 4)
7. A&M: 5-7 (note 5)
8. Ark: 4-11
9. AU: 4-7-1
10. Mizz: 2-5
11. UK: 2-1
12. MSU: 1-2
13. USCe: 0-0
14. Vandy: 0-0

Note 1: From 1925 when Alabama went to the Rose Bowl as the first team from the "3rd world South", until 1945 when Bama was the last team to play in an "open" Rose Bowl, Bama was 4-1-1. The rest of the nation was 4-11 during those 21 years. The RB was essentially the only bowl until 1933-35 when the Sugar, Cotton and Orange were added.

Note 2: Many fans continuously undervalue LSU's history.

Note 3: From the early 30s til the 60s, UT was Bama's equal regionally, but Alabama far out distanced UT on the national stage. Even Neyland was 2-5 in major bowls. Their 1939 unscored on team was beaten 14-0 by USC in the Rose Bowl. They played another RB a few years later and still haven't scored.

Note 4: Most do not know how good Vaught was from the late 40s til the early 60s. No NC, but very close 3 times and 6 SEC titles. 1952-1963 4 top 5s, 8 top 7s, 10 top 11s. OM was who Alabama and Bryant had to dethrone in the SEC, not UT.

Note 5: A&M and Ark had more success than some want to admit. They are both at the tail end of the historical top 25. They were number 2 and 3 behind Texas in the SWC.

Note 6: Let's save Rabern57 and aufbfan some trouble: Bama is a worthless, cheating program. They've bought every player that was ever any good from 1925 on. They've paid off all SEC refs from 1933 forward, NCAA presidents from Walter Byers to Mark Emmert, US presidents from Calvin Coolidge to Donald Trump and UN Sec-Generals from Trygve Lie to Ban Ki-moon. Occam's Razor - it's obvious isn't it? Success means cheating - unless you are AU. They were framed for their SEC leading 7 major infractions (that's not counting Barkley, Bowden's confession, SACS, Cam, McGlover, etc.). But they're here to set the record straight. The injustice done to that poor school is stunning.
This post was edited on 7/15/18 at 9:39 pm
Posted by MSHawg1
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Posted on 7/15/18 at 9:23 pm to
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A&M and Ark. have had more success than some might admit


No kidding


Edit - Arkansas has also played in 3 more major bowls than Auburn

Another edit - Who downvoted this?! I stated a fact
This post was edited on 7/15/18 at 9:37 pm
Posted by The Winner
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Posted on 7/15/18 at 9:24 pm to
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12. MSU: 1-2 


Let it be known that all 3 of these games were in the Orange Bowl. Which is kind of amazing to think about that is the only major bowl game State has been to. Of course we have been to the Cotton and Peach before it was big.
Posted by Rabern57
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Posted on 7/15/18 at 9:27 pm to
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Note 6: Let's save Rabern57 and aufbfan some trouble:
Thanks. Nice to know you were thinking of me while you were writing all that.
Posted by Rohan Gravy
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Posted on 7/15/18 at 9:32 pm to
Spot on.
Many posters have no idea how good Ole Miss was.
Posted by Korin
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Posted on 7/15/18 at 9:35 pm to
Where did you get 6 from for Texas A&M?

1939 Sugar
1940 Cotton
1967 Cotton
1985 Cotton
1987 Cotton

Posted by tattoo
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Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 7/15/18 at 9:36 pm to
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Rabern57
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Thanks. Nice to know you were thinking of me while you were writing all that.
Well not the whole time, but every time I see the contrast between Bama and AU, as you so faithfully remind us, I must remember that the only way it could be so great is that Bama is corrupt and AU is pure. But you're welcome.
Posted by RollTide1987
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Posted on 7/15/18 at 9:37 pm to
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Many posters have no idea how good Ole Miss was.


That's because the vast majority of the people who post on this board were born two or three decades after Ole Miss had lost relevance in football.

I'm sure that many of them have no idea how good the University of Chicago was at football 100 years ago either.

This post was edited on 7/15/18 at 9:38 pm
Posted by tattoo
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Posted on 7/15/18 at 9:41 pm to
You are correct. I corrected it to 5-7. Didn't change their place in the pecking order, but it was wrong. Thanks for the catch.

Warning to others: this was done by "hand". I.e., there may be other errors. Probably not big ones, but there could be more.
Posted by BurnsideStyle
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 7/15/18 at 9:45 pm to
3 Cotton Bowls, Peach, and Sugar with a 4-1 record, two of which were big 6, just a little over the last decade isn't horrible is it?
Posted by tattoo
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Posted on 7/15/18 at 9:47 pm to
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RollTide1987
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I'm sure that many of them have no idea how good the University of Chicago was at football 100 years ago either
But the 60s was not 100 years ago. IMO, it has relevance because people in their 60s and older can distinctly remember that time and it overlapped Coach Bryant. Also, any who are interested in SEC history become aware. It's kind of sad, but you can have a little understanding of why OM feels more entitled than they should, even though it was a long time ago and will likely never return. Kind of a poor man's Great Britain and their "Empire" of the SEC. Though it was not THAT good.
This post was edited on 7/15/18 at 9:51 pm
Posted by tattoo
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Posted on 7/15/18 at 9:50 pm to
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BurnsideStyle
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3 Cotton Bowls, Peach, and Sugar with a 4-1 record, two of which were big 6, just a little over the last decade isn't horrible is it?
But those Cotton Bowls were not major bowls. But yeah, that is very good, certainly not horrible. Those were some good and interesting teams.
Posted by Korin
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37935 posts
Posted on 7/15/18 at 9:50 pm to
Yep, the Cotton wasn't part of the Alliance or BCS.
Posted by RollTide1987
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Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 7/15/18 at 9:53 pm to
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3 Cotton Bowls, Peach, and Sugar with a 4-1 record, two of which were big 6, just a little over the last decade isn't horrible is it?


You've had one AP Top 10 finish in the last 50 years.....and you came under NCAA investigation within months of that season's conclusion.
This post was edited on 7/15/18 at 9:54 pm
Posted by dcbl
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Posted on 7/15/18 at 9:53 pm to
so Bama, UGA & UF are the ONLY SEC teams with winning records om major bowls

Big 3
Posted by MizzouTrue
Member since Jun 2016
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Posted on 7/15/18 at 9:58 pm to
Aggies also got 1998 sugar and 1993 cotton bowl (Aggies were unbeaten in 1993)
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 7/15/18 at 9:58 pm to
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It's kind of sad, but you can have a little understanding of why OM feels more entitled than they should


Their run in the 50s and 60s lasted all of 10 years. With the exception of the title in 1947, every single SEC championship they won came between 1953-1963.

I'm afraid I have zero understanding when it comes to Ole Miss entitlement. Aside from that decade-long run, they have been between mediocre and below average for the entirety of their program's history.
Posted by BurnsideStyle
Member since May 2014
1760 posts
Posted on 7/15/18 at 10:04 pm to
Looking back at OPs criteria for major bowls, got it now.

RollTide87, do you think those 5 recent OM teams I mentioned deserved better finishing AP rankings considering their bowl win and that the SEC West during that time was most likely the best division in the history of college football?
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 7/15/18 at 10:12 pm to
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RollTide87, do you think those 5 recent OM teams I mentioned deserved better finishing AP rankings considering their bowl win


Probably not. Those teams finished 10-3, 9-4, 9-4, 9-4, and 10-3 respectively. 2003 might have deserved a Top 10 finish, but they only defeated one team that finished in the Top 25 that year (#24 Florida).

Posted by Paul B Ammer
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Member since Jul 2017
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Posted on 7/15/18 at 10:14 pm to
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AU 4-7-1


If only there were a Goat Bowl. Then surely Barn U would have a better bowl record and Rabern57 and aubfan wouldn't be such miserable shitebricks.

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