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re: SEC Fan Acceptance of Texas and Oklahoma
Posted on 1/5/24 at 3:13 pm to Chip82
Posted on 1/5/24 at 3:13 pm to Chip82
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What happened to the elite Nebraska program could easily happen to either Oklahoma and/or Texas.
Before you start chirping about "Nerbrasky!", first you need to demonstrate some knowledge and tell us what you think happened to them.
Let's hear it.
This post was edited on 1/5/24 at 3:22 pm
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Posted on 1/5/24 at 3:38 pm to CharlotteSooner
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Oklahoma has been following Texas around like lap dogs, so I can only imagine y'all get along fine.
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Laughable
Is it though? I mean, the other schools we took from the BIG 12 all said Texas ran the conference. They said it is one reason they all wanted out. Then Texas asks to come to the SEC and Oklahoma is now coming with them. Both had to wait until Oklahoma could get the money together, though. Texas said they had the money and could make the move immediately.
This post was edited on 1/6/24 at 8:50 am
Posted on 1/5/24 at 3:52 pm to DawgsLife
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the other schools we took from the BIG 12 all said Texas ran the conference
Oh boo-hoo, Texas didn't "run" the B12, that's a lazy excuse. The departed teams were lured for more TV money, plain & simple.
Most teams didn't like the fact Texas got a massive deal from the Longhorn Network, and the B12 office was not managed well, but they all - including CU - left for more money. Just like OU & Texas just did.
Posted on 1/5/24 at 3:56 pm to deeprig9
Mizzou and A&M are largely unaccepted due to the tremendous cultural differences between their fans and fans of most other SEC schools. The reality is that while UT has a lot of pinko lefty commie students, the football fans aren’t dissimilar from Georgia, Florida, or Alabama fans.
With that said, true acceptance starts with going to Atlanta. Texas A&M gets no respect because they’ve never come close to winning the SEC West. Mizzou gets more respect, relatively speaking, because they’ve won the East multiple times. In the SEC, you earn respect by winning.
With that said, true acceptance starts with going to Atlanta. Texas A&M gets no respect because they’ve never come close to winning the SEC West. Mizzou gets more respect, relatively speaking, because they’ve won the East multiple times. In the SEC, you earn respect by winning.
Posted on 1/5/24 at 4:00 pm to Chip82
quote:I could give you some good reasons why that last part will never happen, but I'm not sure you'd understand. The Cliffs notes version is Corn killed themselves off, not anything big bad Texas did. Coming into the Big12 killed off their "partial qualifier" program that stocked up many of their greatest teams of the 80's-90's..meaning they could no longer get players that were stellar on the field but couldn't even spell their own name. Even that wasnt enough to kill them completely, running away to the B1G did that by severing their Texas pipelines for players. Nebby has geographical challenges OU doesn't, and Texas kinda speaks for itself.
I have a friend that is an Oklahoma alum.
I told him that both Texas and Oklahoma will no longer be the largest fish in a small pond. They will now be in a large pond filled with several other big fish.
What happened to the elite Nebraska program could easily happen to either Oklahoma and/or Texas.
Posted on 1/5/24 at 4:08 pm to Naked Bootleg
quote:Not to mention most of those schools voted with Texas regarding unequal revenue sharing. They were just pissed that ultimately meant Texas getting more than them because they vastly overestimated their own worth
Oh boo-hoo, Texas didn't "run" the B12, that's a lazy excuse. The departed teams were lured for more TV money, plain & simple.
Most teams didn't like the fact Texas got a massive deal from the Longhorn Network, and the B12 office was not managed well, but they all - including CU - left for more money. Just like OU & Texas just did.
But don’t let that get in the way of some good revisionist history and conspiracy theory by the ags and Missouri
This post was edited on 1/5/24 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 1/5/24 at 4:12 pm to 49 to nada
found this online about the decline of Nebraska and thought it was a good summary of the problems they have faced since joining the Big 12
Link: CFB Reddit
1. When the Big 12 was formed Texas lobbied hard for partial/non qualifiers to be removed from the conference. Every new member fell in line with UT on this except Nebraska. The vote was 11-1. Nebraska could no longer bring in partial qualifiers from all over the country, sit them for a year learning and growing, and then unleash them on the conference. Talent pool shrunk.
2. Scholarship restrictions. Nebraska was no longer bringing in 100 corn fed Nebraska boys and beefing them up and pulling some of the greatest OL in the country. The infamous "county scholarship" whether real or imagined was no longer available. Nebraska's talent pool shrunk again due to this.
3. The private jet. THE NCAA ruled that recruits could no longer be flown to campus on a private jet. Recruits had to fly commercial to the nearest airport and then be picked up and brought to Lincoln. Another ding against bringing in the top talent.
4. The rise of the mid major/FCS schools. Teams like Iowa State, Kansas State, North Dakota State, and to some degree NW Missouri State signed kids and offered playing time. With cable TV, the internet, etc... kids were able to get more exposure without having to go to a "bigtime program". Nebraska loses a little bit more of their talent pool and college football overall gets a bit more competitive, especially in the middle.
5. The retirement of Tom Osborne and expectations. Right around the time all of these factors began to work against Nebraska, Osborne stepped aside. Frank Solich took over a powerhouse but one that wasn't working with the same tools Osborne had. The conference was must more competitive. The days of rolling everyone on your schedule by 55 were over. The BCS was a thing, etc... Fans coming off 3 NCs in the last decade want more. Solich made it to one BCS championship game riding the coattails of Nebraska's past but it was a dismal showing. There was a kneejerk reaction. Solich was fired and the department went to drastic measures to "catch up" and hired a new AD "Peterson" I believe and brought in Bill Callahan. Whatever was left of the glory days was essentially destroyed at this point and the program began to crumble.
6. The move to the Big10. Going to a new conference Nebraska had to build new rivalries, find new TV sets, get recruits in new areas, and compete with better programs. I believe there was a dip in recruiting and talent through the transition and after the Callahan debacle, the Bo Pelini side show/soap opera, the Mike Riley bust, the program has been relegated to a nice, once dominant program, that should be expected to be competitive week in an week out and contend for division titles every few years.
TLDR: Nebraska is in the middle of a shitload of corn fields and they are having a hard time getting recruits to come play for them.
Link: CFB Reddit
1. When the Big 12 was formed Texas lobbied hard for partial/non qualifiers to be removed from the conference. Every new member fell in line with UT on this except Nebraska. The vote was 11-1. Nebraska could no longer bring in partial qualifiers from all over the country, sit them for a year learning and growing, and then unleash them on the conference. Talent pool shrunk.
2. Scholarship restrictions. Nebraska was no longer bringing in 100 corn fed Nebraska boys and beefing them up and pulling some of the greatest OL in the country. The infamous "county scholarship" whether real or imagined was no longer available. Nebraska's talent pool shrunk again due to this.
3. The private jet. THE NCAA ruled that recruits could no longer be flown to campus on a private jet. Recruits had to fly commercial to the nearest airport and then be picked up and brought to Lincoln. Another ding against bringing in the top talent.
4. The rise of the mid major/FCS schools. Teams like Iowa State, Kansas State, North Dakota State, and to some degree NW Missouri State signed kids and offered playing time. With cable TV, the internet, etc... kids were able to get more exposure without having to go to a "bigtime program". Nebraska loses a little bit more of their talent pool and college football overall gets a bit more competitive, especially in the middle.
5. The retirement of Tom Osborne and expectations. Right around the time all of these factors began to work against Nebraska, Osborne stepped aside. Frank Solich took over a powerhouse but one that wasn't working with the same tools Osborne had. The conference was must more competitive. The days of rolling everyone on your schedule by 55 were over. The BCS was a thing, etc... Fans coming off 3 NCs in the last decade want more. Solich made it to one BCS championship game riding the coattails of Nebraska's past but it was a dismal showing. There was a kneejerk reaction. Solich was fired and the department went to drastic measures to "catch up" and hired a new AD "Peterson" I believe and brought in Bill Callahan. Whatever was left of the glory days was essentially destroyed at this point and the program began to crumble.
6. The move to the Big10. Going to a new conference Nebraska had to build new rivalries, find new TV sets, get recruits in new areas, and compete with better programs. I believe there was a dip in recruiting and talent through the transition and after the Callahan debacle, the Bo Pelini side show/soap opera, the Mike Riley bust, the program has been relegated to a nice, once dominant program, that should be expected to be competitive week in an week out and contend for division titles every few years.
TLDR: Nebraska is in the middle of a shitload of corn fields and they are having a hard time getting recruits to come play for them.
Posted on 1/5/24 at 5:01 pm to Houag80
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You can keep the gay. We'll keep the chant.
That’s only because if aggy didn’t have a strong conference to brag about, you wouldn’t have anything to legitimately brag about.
Note: of course nothing will stop aggy from bragging about everything.
poor aggies
Posted on 1/5/24 at 5:02 pm to Monsusta
frick the whorns, they killed two conferences already.
Posted on 1/5/24 at 5:03 pm to BrerTiger
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frick acceptance from you big southern dummies. Thank you for admitting Austin is not Southern.
Texas is the center of the world!
Posted on 1/5/24 at 5:48 pm to deeprig9
I’m fine with OU. Texas fans are really loud and obnoxious for being irrelevant for going on 20 years.
Posted on 1/5/24 at 5:51 pm to OU Guy
Yankee
Posted on 1/5/24 at 5:57 pm to DawgsLife
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Is it though? I mean, the other schools we took from the BIG 12 all said Texas ran the conference. They said it is one reason they all wanted out. Then Oklahoma asks to come to the SEC and Oklahoma is now coming with them. Both had to wait until Oklahoma could get the money together, though. Texas said they had the money and could make the move immediately.
I see your problem.
Posted on 1/5/24 at 6:22 pm to Monsusta
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Texans will bang all your women. Cry more.
The sreers became queers long ago and even their straight dans have a little hitch intheir giddy up. Southern belles want real men not the cowboy from the villagge people
Posted on 1/5/24 at 8:31 pm to Pettifogger
Oklahoma is a weird cultural fit anywhere. I’ve lived in Tampa mostly since jointing the army in 2008, and after traveling around a lot Oklahoma really is its own thing. A mix of southern, Native American, mid-west, south-west, Hispanic and northern plain Cowboy cultures.
As far as the SEC, OU doesn’t feel an allegiance to any anything really, even in the Big 12 it always felt like to me like we were outsiders. It’ll be interesting to see which schools we get along with. From my time at OU we always had a weird connection with Alabama, even when they sucked. Those home and home games in the 2000s were awesome. Definitely had a traditional power vibe. From personal experience I think we’ll get along with the Mississippi schools and Arkansas fan bases, LSU will be more of a rival, frick texas, the rest will be wild cards.
But really, it could have been the SEC or the Big Ten, we’re just glad to be out of the Big 12. I don’t think we’re as eager for acceptance as, say, A&M. We just want better games.
As far as the SEC, OU doesn’t feel an allegiance to any anything really, even in the Big 12 it always felt like to me like we were outsiders. It’ll be interesting to see which schools we get along with. From my time at OU we always had a weird connection with Alabama, even when they sucked. Those home and home games in the 2000s were awesome. Definitely had a traditional power vibe. From personal experience I think we’ll get along with the Mississippi schools and Arkansas fan bases, LSU will be more of a rival, frick texas, the rest will be wild cards.
But really, it could have been the SEC or the Big Ten, we’re just glad to be out of the Big 12. I don’t think we’re as eager for acceptance as, say, A&M. We just want better games.
Posted on 1/5/24 at 8:42 pm to RedDirt
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Oklahoma is a weird cultural fit anywhere. I’ve lived in Tampa mostly since jointing the army in 2008, and after traveling around a lot Oklahoma really is its own thing. A mix of southern, Native American, mid-west, south-west, Hispanic and northern plain Cowboy cultures.
This is accurate.
Posted on 1/5/24 at 10:29 pm to CharlotteSooner
Most of the time when I'm traveling and people see me in my OU stuff they tell me they hate texas too. So we already have that going for us.
I just hope the sec dosent cave in like the big 12 and ban horns down.
I just hope the sec dosent cave in like the big 12 and ban horns down.
Posted on 1/5/24 at 10:31 pm to Jdgood1
Big 12 didn't ban horns down.
Posted on 1/5/24 at 11:30 pm to Jdgood1
quote:Was never banned, that's an aggy myth...be better than that. The Big12 simply leveled the playing field for players taunting during a game..if Texas players can be flagged for doing the "guns up" in Lubbuttock then their players can be flagged for doing horns down. Having said that it's rarely been enforced either way, but there never was a ban on any particular hand sign.
Most of the time when I'm traveling and people see me in my OU stuff they tell me they hate texas too. So we already have that going for us.
I just hope the sec dosent cave in like the big 12 and ban horns down.
Posted on 1/5/24 at 11:41 pm to 49 to nada
Stfu with your revisionist history. You soy boys cried so much that it became an automatic penalty even if cheerleaders were caught doing it. OU hasn’t said shite about the constant schooner flipping that every team posts in the blue moon when they beat OU. Be fr bitch.
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