Started By
Message
SEC CG loser & their amount of games played
Posted on 10/21/24 at 11:24 am
Posted on 10/21/24 at 11:24 am
It’s probably been discussed.
Reg season
—game 12 on ~11-30-24
SEcCG
—Loses on Dec 7th
First round CFP
—Wins on 12-20 or 12-21
Quarterfinals
—wins on 12-31 or 1-1
Semifinals
—wins on 1-9 or 1-10
Final
—game on 1-20
=17 games total.
So it’s all here to contemplate w/ three scenarios and who benefits the least.
1. Sec champ gets a bye and that’s three weeks off from Dec 7 to 12-31
=16 total games
2. Sec runner up has to play first round with two weeks off, and will possibly play one more game than any other team besides other conference runners up that make playoff and make it to final.
=17 total games
3. Sec regular season 3rd place misses SecCG but plays in first round. Gets three weeks off.
=16 total games.
Who actually benefits in these scenarios?
Is three weeks off too long?
Is two weeks perfect before rust starts?
Obviously the BCS, and prior you saw teams that had to go from Thanksgiving to Jan 1. I believe that was a four+ week layoff. So it’s not even that big of a deal except that I believe the post season layoffs will be discussed during those weeks off.
Reg season
—game 12 on ~11-30-24
SEcCG
—Loses on Dec 7th
First round CFP
—Wins on 12-20 or 12-21
Quarterfinals
—wins on 12-31 or 1-1
Semifinals
—wins on 1-9 or 1-10
Final
—game on 1-20
=17 games total.
So it’s all here to contemplate w/ three scenarios and who benefits the least.
1. Sec champ gets a bye and that’s three weeks off from Dec 7 to 12-31
=16 total games
2. Sec runner up has to play first round with two weeks off, and will possibly play one more game than any other team besides other conference runners up that make playoff and make it to final.
=17 total games
3. Sec regular season 3rd place misses SecCG but plays in first round. Gets three weeks off.
=16 total games.
Who actually benefits in these scenarios?
Is three weeks off too long?
Is two weeks perfect before rust starts?
Obviously the BCS, and prior you saw teams that had to go from Thanksgiving to Jan 1. I believe that was a four+ week layoff. So it’s not even that big of a deal except that I believe the post season layoffs will be discussed during those weeks off.
This post was edited on 10/21/24 at 2:05 pm
11
Posted on 10/21/24 at 11:26 am to dstone12
Things to note.
1. Someone important will get injured in this process and may affect a semi or final.
2. This could be the reason for 105 scholarships.
1. Someone important will get injured in this process and may affect a semi or final.
2. This could be the reason for 105 scholarships.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 2:04 pm to dstone12
3. CONFERENCE champs should host the home game.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 2:08 pm to dstone12
Would be fair if SECCG winner gets first round bye, SECCG loser gets to host first round game and third place team has to travel in first round...but with the complex tiebreaker system for 16 team conference, third place team may be a better team than the 2nd place team, and it will be up to the playoff committee to figure it out...
Regardless, I would want a chance to get a first round bye.
Regardless, I would want a chance to get a first round bye.
This post was edited on 10/21/24 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 10/21/24 at 2:16 pm to dstone12
quote:I'm going to wait to see how it plays out, but this is what the first round would look like if the CFP began today:
3. Sec regular season 3rd place misses SecCG but plays in first round. Gets three weeks off.
=16 total games
I'd rather play in the SECCG have a chance at getting a bye, lose, and get to host the 10 seed than be the 8 seed and host the 9 seed, short of any serious injuries in the SECCG of course.
This post was edited on 10/21/24 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 10/21/24 at 2:25 pm to dstone12
quote:
It’s probably been discussed
quote:
17 total games
I actually did bring that up about a month ago, in that there's a real chance some team might play 17 games this year, 10 or so of which are against Top 25 opponents, during a season that lasts approximately 5 months.
Unless there is tremendous fortune involved, I just don't see how the same team that started the season will still be standing at the end. Which means teams with depth and coaching staffs with the best plans in place to utilize it correctly should have an advantage.
Interestingly, Kalen DeBoer led 3 NAIA national championship teams at Sioux Falls that each played 4 postseason games. I wonder if those experiences are going to help at all, or if simply avoiding significant injuries and overall conditioning will be more of a deciding factor for most programs?
Also, will we see teams sitting players (or otherwise resting the starters) late in the season?
And before we use the NFL as a direct comparison, unlike in that league, CFB teams can't simply put someone on IR late and sign an experienced player.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 2:27 pm to dstone12
Moral of the story...
If you make the CCG you better win that bitch. I mean you'll still get in the playoffs, but you'll do it with no break whatsoever to heal and regroup.
If you make the CCG you better win that bitch. I mean you'll still get in the playoffs, but you'll do it with no break whatsoever to heal and regroup.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 2:37 pm to paperwasp
If we want to continue another interesting topic from that other thread, having AQs means that Notre Dame and other independents that don't play a conference championship game get locked-out and can never have a first-round BYE under the current format.
Thus, the highest they can rank is a fifth-seed.
Scoob pointed out that this is actually an advantage for them — if you're the second-best team in the SEC, there's a good chance you're ranked in the Top 10 or Top 5, and your first postseason game (conference championship) could be against the #1 team in the country, and favorite to win the title.
Which really does nothing but hurt either of those teams chances to advance.
Notre Dame’s 13th game in that scenario would instead be at home against a weak 12-seed, after an extra rest (no conference championship). And then they would play the fourth-highest ranked conference champion, which is probably a team that's worse than the second-place SEC team (who now got seeded over away from them in the first round). Definitely could be an easier path most years.
Here's an SI article about the topic.
Thus, the highest they can rank is a fifth-seed.
Scoob pointed out that this is actually an advantage for them — if you're the second-best team in the SEC, there's a good chance you're ranked in the Top 10 or Top 5, and your first postseason game (conference championship) could be against the #1 team in the country, and favorite to win the title.
Which really does nothing but hurt either of those teams chances to advance.
Notre Dame’s 13th game in that scenario would instead be at home against a weak 12-seed, after an extra rest (no conference championship). And then they would play the fourth-highest ranked conference champion, which is probably a team that's worse than the second-place SEC team (who now got seeded over away from them in the first round). Definitely could be an easier path most years.
Here's an SI article about the topic.
quote:
As the 5 seed, Notre Dame would have a real shot at 1) playing one less game, 2) being better rested, 3) getting a relative layup first round game at home, and 4) possibly being the higher-ranked - if not higher-seeded - team for the first two rounds of the tournament.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 2:37 pm to paperwasp
quote:Alabama should be in great shape then with the S&C coach.
if simply avoiding significant injuries and overall conditioning
Unless their players tear ACLs on those fade away jumpers during QB sneaks.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 2:38 pm to dstone12
Talented depth is and will be the most important roster detail. Getting the championship bye can mitigate that to some extent but there is also the problem with getting rusty with 3 weeks off. And going home for the holidays and getting in trouble.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 2:44 pm to dstone12
3rd place in the SEC is where I'd want to finish. You get a first round home game, with a 25 percent chance itll be against a G5 opponent.
And with a pretty good chance that your opponent in any case will be weaker that the SEC #1 or #2.
Atlanta can kiss my butt. Give me 3rd place.
There's no guarantee of that. There should be, but there's not.
And with a pretty good chance that your opponent in any case will be weaker that the SEC #1 or #2.
Atlanta can kiss my butt. Give me 3rd place.
quote:
you better win that bitch. I mean you'll still get in the playoffs
There's no guarantee of that. There should be, but there's not.
This post was edited on 10/21/24 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 10/21/24 at 2:53 pm to dstone12
For whatever reason, I've not been thinking much about SEC CG scenarios.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 4:34 pm to paperwasp
ND seems to walk between the raindrops but cannot win the big one since 88.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 4:50 pm to dstone12
quote:
ND seems to walk between the raindrops but cannot win the big one since 88.
They've created their karma.
Posted on 10/23/24 at 12:18 pm to theballguy
quote:
They've created their karma.
It’s admirable how they’ve survived since 88.
They could have joined ACC or Big10.
But the nbc money is solid.
Posted on 10/23/24 at 12:24 pm to paperwasp
yep...the best case is the #5 seed and not playing in the SEC CG
that would put you playing the group of 5 rep...the 12 seed at home
then you would get big 12 champ for quarters which currently would be byu
best case for LSU would be the 5 seed, host Boise
play BYU in the sugar bowl for quarters
play B10 champ in jerry world for semi
that would put you playing the group of 5 rep...the 12 seed at home
then you would get big 12 champ for quarters which currently would be byu
best case for LSU would be the 5 seed, host Boise
play BYU in the sugar bowl for quarters
play B10 champ in jerry world for semi
Posted on 10/23/24 at 12:36 pm to lsu777
quote:With no divisions, I don't see how a non-conference champion game team will get the #5 seed, unless it is ND.
yep...the best case is the #5 seed and not playing in the SEC CG
The #5 seed without playing in a CCG is a wet dream.
And I'd rather be playing in a conference championship game with the chance to earn a bye than sitting at home.
This post was edited on 10/23/24 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 10/23/24 at 12:45 pm to Murph4HOF
quote:
With no divisions, I don't see how a non-conference champion game team will get getting the #5 seed, unless it is ND.
The #5 seed without playing in a CCG is a wet dream.
And I'd rather be playing in a conference championship game with the chance to earn a bye than sitting at home.
so you cant see this playing out? i think yall are not understanding the tie breakers
if the above happens...UGA is left out the SEC CG even with winning out and I think they would be the 5 seed
SEC Standings
quote:
1. LSU (7 - 1) Above Georgia, Texas, and Texas A&M based on conference opponent win percentage (0.4688).
2. Texas A&M (7 - 1) With Georgia and Texas, below LSU based on conference opponent win percentage (0.4375). Above Georgia and Texas based on conference opponent win percentage (0.4375).
3. Georgia (7 - 1) With Texas and Texas A&M, below LSU based on conference opponent win percentage (0.4219). With Texas, below Texas A&M based on conference opponent win percentage (0.4219). Above Texas based on head-to-head record (1-0).
4. Texas (7 - 1) With Georgia and Texas A&M, below LSU based on conference opponent win percentage (0.3906). With Georgia, below Texas A&M based on conference opponent win percentage (0.3906). Below Georgia based on head-to-head record (0-1).
5. Tennessee (6 - 2)
6. Alabama (5 - 3) With Ole Miss, above Missouri based on record vs common conference opponents all played one time (2-0). Above Ole Miss based on record vs common conference opponents all played one time (3-1).
7. Ole Miss (5 - 3) With Alabama, above Missouri based on record vs common conference opponents all played one time (2-0). Below Alabama based on record vs common conference opponents all played one time (2-2).
8. Missouri (5 - 3) Below Alabama and Ole Miss based on record vs common conference opponents all played one time (1-1).
9. S Carolina (4 - 4)
10. Arkansas (3 - 5) Above Vandy based on record vs common conference opponents all played one time (2-3).
11. Vandy (3 - 5) Below Arkansas based on record vs common conference opponents all played one time (1-4).
12. Florida (2 - 6) Above Kentucky based on head-to-head record (1-0).
13. Kentucky (2 - 6) Below Florida based on head-to-head record (0-1).
14. Oklahoma (1 - 7)
15. Miss St (0 - 8) Above Auburn based on conference opponent win percentage (0.6563).
16. Auburn (0 - 8) Below Miss St based on conference opponent win percentage (0.5156).
now I dont think LSU could end up there really
but there are easy scenerios where UGA could or UT could end up at #5
ETA: FIXED
This post was edited on 10/23/24 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 10/23/24 at 12:54 pm to lsu777
quote:Georgia has 1 conference loss so winning out wouldn't put them at 6-2 in SEC play.
if the above happens...UGA is left out the SEC CG even with winning out and I think they would be the 5 seed
SEC Standings:
5. Georgia (6 - 2)
Posted on 10/23/24 at 12:56 pm to Murph4HOF
crap i messed up, hang on
Page 1 of 3
Popular
Back to top
Follow SECRant for SEC Football News