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re: say what you will, but Auburn Basketball did not benefit in any way from this
Posted on 9/27/17 at 1:32 pm to MrAUTigers
Posted on 9/27/17 at 1:32 pm to MrAUTigers
quote:Absolutely. It seems the FBI thing is more focused on the apparel companies for now though.
Are there football coaches doing the same thing for agents/money managers as basketball coaches are doing?
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Posted on 9/27/17 at 1:33 pm to Pettifogger
You're being a bit disingenuous, Pettifogger. An employee of the university, a coach, no less, was paying players, and taking a large cut as a middleman.
This is not a defensible situation.
This is not a defensible situation.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 1:36 pm to PearlJam
quote:And the thing is, it looks like they might be looking in to all the apparel companies (regardless of whether they actually find anything). This could end up ruining a LOT of people's day before it's all said and done.
Absolutely. It seems the FBI thing is more focused on the apparel companies for now though.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 1:38 pm to cyde
I just think football being less personality driven and more uncertain creates an environment less conducive to this shite.
A lot of the times NBA stars are projected from 16 years old, or younger. They only have to spend one year in college, and AAU is fricking lawless. It just seems much easier to get access to those kids/families, identify the potential stars and usher them into deals than in football. In basketball all that could occur in 18 months, while in football you're talking about several years with the potential of play dropoff, bad seasons, legal/academic trouble, injuries, etc.
I'm not discounting the possibility outright, it's just not set up for the same type of corruption, IMO.
A lot of the times NBA stars are projected from 16 years old, or younger. They only have to spend one year in college, and AAU is fricking lawless. It just seems much easier to get access to those kids/families, identify the potential stars and usher them into deals than in football. In basketball all that could occur in 18 months, while in football you're talking about several years with the potential of play dropoff, bad seasons, legal/academic trouble, injuries, etc.
I'm not discounting the possibility outright, it's just not set up for the same type of corruption, IMO.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 1:39 pm to Evolved Simian
quote:He, nor any reasonable Auburn fan, is saying it is defensible. Simply that as it relates to the NCAA, a greedy coach exploitng current players to line his own pockets isn't the same level of sin and punishment for the school as paying players to come to your school to benefit the school’s team.
This is not a defensible situation.
Neither is good or acceptable. But the former usually doesn't get your school completely shite on by the NCAA.
This post was edited on 9/27/17 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 9/27/17 at 1:39 pm to MrAUTigers
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He was paying for our best players to leave.
How exactly does that benefit Auburn?
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Posted on 9/27/17 at 1:41 pm to Pettifogger
quote:It probably does, but I'm starting to wonder if this coud potentially open an avenue of investigation into baseball as well.
I just think football being less personality driven and more uncertain creates an environment less conducive to this shite.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 1:42 pm to tomsellecksmustache
Nothing to see here.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 1:44 pm to Evolved Simian
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You're being a bit disingenuous, Pettifogger. An employee of the university, a coach, no less, was paying players, and taking a large cut as a middleman.
How is that disingenuous? He's taking money from a third party to give to current students to get them to do something to the benefit of the third party. By any reasonable definition, that isn't Auburn "cheating" in any normal sense of NCAA violations.
If it turns out that this stuff went on in recruiting, it'll get worse.
If it turns there was some pro-AU connection to the payments, or that more in the program were involved, it'll get really bad.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 1:44 pm to cyde
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It probably does, but I'm starting to wonder if this coud potentially open an avenue of investigation into baseball as well.
totally out of my element there
Posted on 9/27/17 at 1:45 pm to Pettifogger
quote:Same here.
totally out of my element there
Posted on 9/27/17 at 2:00 pm to cyde
Honestly I think someone at the federal level wants to get to Sonny Vicarro or Phil Knight or similar types.
This post was edited on 9/27/17 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 9/27/17 at 2:09 pm to PearlJam
Vaccaro is out of the business. Nike fired him a long time ago. He went to Adidas and then to Reebok.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 2:10 pm to TailbackU
Bruce Pearl is toast
Posted on 9/27/17 at 2:42 pm to MrAUTigers
quote:He is the godfather of all of this crap.
Vaccaro is out of the business. Nike fired him a long time ago. He went to Adidas and then to Reebok.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 2:59 pm to TailbackU
OP smoking or sumpin
Posted on 9/27/17 at 3:15 pm to PearlJam
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Football had a different play book than basketball when it came to paying players, but has been moving a toward the basketball model over the past decade with the summer camps and 7 on 7s sponsored by the apparel companies.
Hopefully all of this basketball debacle will put a fork in that. I do not think I could enjoy football if I thought it was as systemically dirty as basketball.
Football --- occasional coach or booster
Basketball --- fricking billion dollar companies trying to keep their brand on kids from 8th grade up.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 3:39 pm to TailbackU
Yeah because recruiting future NBA talent is a bad thing.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 3:41 pm to TailbackU
Everybody who watches Auburn basketball knows they don't benefit from anything.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 3:47 pm to kywildcatfanone
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Everybody who watches Auburn basketball knows they don't benefit from anything.
This, and to take that further whether Pearl is fired or the team is officially hit with Sanctions won't matter one bit.
Here are two facts that Auburn BBall is done for 3-5 years at least no matter what:
1.) Our only 2 Potential NBA prospects are disqualified
2.) Our best recruits next year have decommitted, and more will stay away.
So with or without official sanctions, Auburn basketball will continue to suck to the extent of not sniffing the NIT until most likely at least 2020.
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