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re: Say what you want about Cal

Posted on 3/24/25 at 1:22 pm to
Posted by Clark14
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Posted on 3/24/25 at 1:22 pm to
Good grief, I just asked the dude a simple question. Not being derogatory towards your coach. Lighten up, get over it.
Posted by Gideon Swashbuckler
Member since Sep 2019
7667 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 1:27 pm to
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Good grief, I just asked the dude a simple question. Not being derogatory towards your coach. Lighten up, get over it.


Didn't go the way you figured, did it?
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 3/24/25 at 1:34 pm to
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Good grief, I just asked the dude a simple question. Not being derogatory towards your coach. Lighten up, get over it.


And you got a pretty straightforward answer. Maybe you shouldn't ask questions you're not going to like the answer to on a forum where folks other than Arkansas fans can answer?
Posted by Clark14
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Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 3/24/25 at 1:40 pm to
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Didn't go the way you figured, did it?


Par for the course right now. A bunch of touchy feelings around here. It’s fun though.

Did you ever answer my question? I haven’t looked.
Posted by Lynxrufus2012
Central Kentucky
Member since Mar 2020
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Posted on 3/24/25 at 1:43 pm to
First team in NCAA tournament history to reach Sweet 16 with ZERO returning production.

That says it all about how Pope has done.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 3/24/25 at 1:50 pm to
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Par for the course right now. A bunch of touchy feelings around here. It’s fun though.

Did you ever answer my question? I haven’t looked.


Funny, you didn't answer mine:

What about Arkansas's situation do you feel was more difficult than what Pope inherited at Kentucky for this season?
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/24/25 at 2:02 pm to
Pope should be coach of the year. Brought in mid level talent and has them in the sweet 16 with no NBA prospects.
Posted by BenHOGan1
KC Area
Member since Feb 2021
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Posted on 3/24/25 at 2:48 pm to
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What about Arkansas's situation do you feel was more difficult than what Pope inherited at Kentucky for this season?


I'd say they were pretty comparable. Lots of parallels, and I think Cal had it plenty difficult this year.

- Got to Arkansas with zero players on the roster. Recall Trevon Brazile was already in the portal. Cal had to re-recruit him to come back.

- Didn't get all of the people from KY to follow him that he wanted.

- Between the kids that followed from KY, High School recruits who switched their commitment, and the Portal, Cal entered the Summer/Fall with 9 players.

- By the time the regular season started, Jonas Aidoo was coming off of foot surgery (moving poorly and nowhere near 100%), and Nelly was hampered by a wrist injury what was much worse than anyone let on.

- About the time those two were finally getting healthy and starting to contribute, both Boogie Fland and Adou Thiero went down within 2 games of each other.

At no time between November and January was the team able to scrimmage against each other or experiment with lineups against directional schools, because there was never a full complement of healthy bodies. As a result, the non-conference and early SEC games were disjointed and difficult to watch.

Out of necessity, when Boogie and Thiero went down, everyone that remained had to play and everyone had to be as aggressive/selfish as possible in order for the Hogs to succeed. That's when the roles emerged and the team was formed. And to Boogie's credit, he understands what helped them form that team, so when he came back, he already knew how to rejoin without disrupting.

If you've watched every episode of "Razor's Edge" on Vice TV as I have, you'll know from the behind-the-scenes clips just how well Cal kept these guys engaged and positive through the difficult times while also challenging them to keep improving.
Posted by Clark14
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Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 3/24/25 at 2:58 pm to
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Funny, you didn't answer mine:



I didn’t read it but your answer was addressed properly by Ben. Hope you can calm down and move along now.
Posted by KootAR
Member since Jul 2015
705 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 3:01 pm to
Cal stopped trying at Kentucky, and the fans knew it. There was no way he could redeem himself there after that. If he hadn't left, they would have fired him. They have very high expectations, and you better deliver or progress towards delivering, or you get replaced.

He either lucked into success when Boogie got injured, and the lineup shuffled, or he is trying to redeem himself in the sports world by coaching his arse off to prove he still has it.

Either way, I don't think he will be at Arkansas long. He will either fail or succeed, but whatever drove him to stop trying at Kentucky is still there, just below the surface. It will come up for air again.
Posted by Kid Ray
Member since Nov 2024
463 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 3:09 pm to
Yeah but he doesn't rip his shirt off after every victory
Posted by Lord of the Hogs
Member since Sep 2023
3570 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 3:30 pm to
We didn’t sneak into the Sweet 16. We’ve beaten teams seeded higher than us. We also have a chance to make another Elite 8.

You know nothing about basketball.
Posted by HClassof84
Member since Feb 2025
199 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 3:39 pm to
Agree completely, it was best for all parties.
Posted by BenHOGan1
KC Area
Member since Feb 2021
162 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 3:54 pm to
I do think his passion dimmed/died at KY. The results were on the court for all to see. Once you've crossed that line someplace - especially at a place with the expectations of KY - there's very little that can be done to redeem yourself and repair what's been broken.

To his credit, I think he understood that. And once he knew Yurachek and Tyson were serious, he thought Arkansas would be the perfect exit strategy from KY and Fayetteville the perfect place to rehabilitate his legacy. I don't believe he sees Arkansas as a long-term job, but I do believe he sees it as his final stop. I'd guess he's thinking he wants to give Arkansas 5 really good years where he's re-energized and focused and see if he can't somehow hang a banner. Then he's gonna ride off into the sunset.
Posted by UKat
Owensboro
Member since Aug 2010
867 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 10:25 pm to
Wrong, Mitch Barnhardt wasn't going to fire him, his buyout was way to high. Plus he broke his contract by speaking to Arkansas without informing the AD Barnhardt, which in turn allowed him to be terminated and not ha e to pay his buyout. This backfired horribly on Cal.

He was thinking he would use the offer of another school that AD Barnhardt and the AA would build him a new practice facility and other things. Cal was pissed because he felt the football program was getting more $$$$, new training center and stadium renovation among other things, even though the bball program already had top flight facilities.

Barnhardt would not have fired him had he not talked with Arkansas without notifying and asking Barnhardt permission to do that. It worked out for us and it worked out for y'all too. We needed a fresh start and he did too, Cal had lost the fanbase but he is so arrogant he didn't believe that, yes there was a small % of the fans that loved and wanted him but the majority were ready for him to move on.
Posted by BuckeyeWarrior
Naples, FL
Member since Jan 2025
473 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 10:40 pm to
He lucked out with the fact that this was a major down year for competitiveness from non-SEC basketball schools. It’s made the NCAA tournament less competitive for getting into.

Half of the teams in the current tourney wouldn’t have made the 2010-2015 tournaments. The bar of entry has been lowered significantly.
This post was edited on 3/24/25 at 10:56 pm
Posted by Rebbedup
Member since Jun 2021
3545 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 11:51 pm to
I like how tough Arkansas has been since they won in Lexington. The depth is worrisome but that is our problem as well. I think Arkansas has a better chance of advancing than Ole Miss. But we are both happy to be in the sweet 16.
Posted by Summer of Jimbo
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Member since Oct 2022
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Posted on 3/24/25 at 11:54 pm to
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Say what you want about Cal


Ok let me think for a minute and I’ll get back with you
Posted by VagueMessage
Springdale, AR
Member since Jun 2013
4145 posts
Posted on 3/25/25 at 12:16 am to
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The reality is it was best for all parities but there will absolutely be folks claiming Kentucky was the problem.


Honestly, all the sour grapes from you guys seemed to come not from us hiring Cal, but that Pope was demonstrably an underwhelming hire at the time for Kentucky's brand. It seems to be working out, but he was very much a B-tier name. It had nothing to do with us or Cal. The bitterness is/was played up drastically.

Cal didn't really suck for all that long at UK. He had like three underwhelming years, but it had started to look like a pattern. Maybe he would have figured it out this year even if he never left. Maybe he only could with a change of scenery. Maybe this year is fool's gold and he'll make the NIT the next three years in a row. It's like Tennessee with Barnes after Texas fired him. It was a gamble, but it turns out dude wasn't done yet, he was just done at Texas.

He's proven himself as a coach of the highest caliber and Musselman hasn't, but at this point in their careers, I'd have taken Muss over him ten times out of ten. But he seemed to not be happy in this region and there's nothing that anyone can do about that, so we put down the money to prove that, win or lose, we're at least serious about trying. I just wish we'd do that in football.
Posted by VagueMessage
Springdale, AR
Member since Jun 2013
4145 posts
Posted on 3/25/25 at 12:19 am to
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As noted, 2019 was last time we made it to the 2nd weekend. That's a long time


You made it in 2023, the year before he quit. And the tournament got cancelled in 2020, when UK was going to be a 1 or 2-seed. He really wasn't THAT bad for very long, just compared to the standard he had to maintain.
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