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re: Sankey melts down defending ref incompetence

Posted on 11/10/26 at 8:46 am to
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
32552 posts
Posted on 11/10/26 at 8:46 am to
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He's really stretching for an honest reason why the SEC hasn't allowed audio in the game replay room.
He really is. To use the excuse that the booth isn't set up for audio, and the replay officials aren't prepared to have their discussions made public is asinine.
Posted by tBrand
Member since Oct 2022
5243 posts
Posted on 11/10/26 at 8:49 am to
Replay transparency is nothing but theater and has changed nothing. ACC/Big 12 has transparency and continue to protect their playoff contenders like every conference always has.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
22638 posts
Posted on 11/10/26 at 8:58 am to
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He's too damn pissed that a TV announcer in an SEC night game called out shitty SEC officiating from an earlier day game.


I think I heard references to it during MULTIPLE SEC games later in the day.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
43374 posts
Posted on 11/10/26 at 9:29 am to
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if bear hugging a defender who is already by you isn't an indicator, why bother even having holding.


Because you don't know what the frick you are talking about and you are exaggerating reality.

Thanks for making my point. The fans are stupid.
Posted by Che Boludo
Member since May 2009
22797 posts
Posted on 11/10/26 at 9:34 am to
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you think Arch lost control of the ball when his arm was moving forward, despite the Mizzou slapping the ball/hand when Arch's arm was cocked back?

Similar thing happened a couple years ago, and I can't recall if it were Milroe or Young. But, ruled a fumble when the ball moved forward like 10-15 yards in the air. It is just what it is.

I do think that rule should be reviewed and updated. If the QBs hand pushes the ball forward (under control or not) it should be a forward pass. If that same play happens, and it is caught in the air, it would have been and INT or reception, not a fumble recovery.

Just take the guess work out of the call. A QB can pitch a ball forward in any manner they choose and it counts as a forward pass. If it is pushed forward with a pinky, regardless of when it comes loose, it should be a forward pass.
Posted by StansberryRules
Member since Aug 2024
6441 posts
Posted on 11/10/26 at 9:34 am to
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He really is. To use the excuse that the booth isn't set up for audio, and the replay officials aren't prepared to have their discussions made public is asinine.


The Big Ten turned on video and audio for their replay center IMMEDIATELY after their week 1 Western Michigan fiasco.

The ACC has had it for years.

Pretending like the SEC faces some sort of unique hurdles is just a blatant falsehoods and excuses from him.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
64983 posts
Posted on 11/10/26 at 9:52 am to
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What's a Hitler complex?


...a guy who thinks the problem related to officiating is the announcers calling it out.

And, he plans to address THAT so there is no more problem relating to officiating.
Posted by terriblegreen
Spokane, LA
Member since Aug 2011
12933 posts
Posted on 11/10/26 at 10:03 am to
Sankey is a fricking clown. He has reason after reason why the SEC can't do things. "Our room wasn't set up to do that."

Then fricking fix it. What a joke.
This post was edited on 11/10/26 at 10:07 am
Posted by windsor1977
Member since Aug 2012
1418 posts
Posted on 11/10/26 at 10:10 am to
Does anybody here remember Baghdad Bob from Gulf War? When Stinky Stankey talks about competence of SEC Refs, he reminds me of Baghdad Bob........ just spewing such bullshite, it doesn't resemble reality
Posted by IlliniBuck
Member since Apr 2015
374 posts
Posted on 11/10/26 at 11:42 am to
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quote:
you think Arch lost control of the ball when his arm was moving forward, despite the Mizzou slapping the ball/hand when Arch's arm was cocked back?


Similar thing happened a couple years ago, and I can't recall if it were Milroe or Young. But, ruled a fumble when the ball moved forward like 10-15 yards in the air. It is just what it is.

I do think that rule should be reviewed and updated. If the QBs hand pushes the ball forward (under control or not) it should be a forward pass. If that same play happens, and it is caught in the air, it would have been and INT or reception, not a fumble recovery.

Just take the guess work out of the call. A QB can pitch a ball forward in any manner they choose and it counts as a forward pass. If it is pushed forward with a pinky, regardless of when it comes loose, it should be a forward pass.


For fun let's suppose Missouri instead of Texas had recovered the Arch "fumble". Would the replay booth have ruled it an incomplete pass?
Posted by QBUMizzou
North of the Mason Dixon line
Member since Nov 2013
1456 posts
Posted on 11/10/26 at 1:01 pm to
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For fun let's suppose Missouri instead of Texas had recovered the Arch "fumble". Would the replay booth have ruled it an incomplete pass?


Exactly.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
20403 posts
Posted on 11/10/26 at 1:37 pm to
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let do it im in for $20 - wheres the judge that started the gofundme

I bet he’d be down for an all SEC fan coalition of billboards.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
130383 posts
Posted on 11/10/26 at 1:38 pm to
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so you think Arch lost control of the ball when his arm was moving forward,


Yes. Like we all saw.
Posted by hookem33
Belton, Tx
Member since Jun 2022
3704 posts
Posted on 11/10/26 at 2:02 pm to
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Thinking about it, Texas gets robbed by the refs alot in this bush league.


Shhh...it's more fun to watch some of them melt thinking we get all the calls.

We sure did against Oklahoma and Florida. They really have our backs
Especially last season when we were the most penalized team in the SEC.

but far be it from me to ruin a good old-fashioned melt.
This post was edited on 11/10/26 at 2:04 pm
Posted by Loganville Vols
Loganville Georgia
Member since Feb 2021
1510 posts
Posted on 11/10/26 at 2:07 pm to
It seems like a referees are extra terrible this year.
Posted by TS1926
Alabama
Member since Jan 2020
8316 posts
Posted on 11/10/26 at 2:35 pm to
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I'm about to piss everyone off, but....

Overall Sankey is right.

Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of bad calls. However the overwhelming majority of complaints about the refs are wrong and stem from ignorance in the fans and announcers.

This is especially the case with holds and pass interference, which gets compounded by the fact they are somewhat judgment calls.

For example, Georgia fans will keep on putting up the single frame image of the guy in the Alabama vs Georgia game on the Alabama TD as holding. But it wasn't. Not a single indicator of holding was met on the play and it was not called.

I get why fans think it was a hold, and it's because they don't really know what a hold is. They see the arm, and think well it must be a hold. But there are other rules and indicators that refs actually look for. You are allowed to have your arm there. You need to be at a 45 degree angle or better when your arm first gets to the position and you can keep it there as long as the guy isn't behind you. At that point you must let go.

The average fan doesn't know or understand these things. And rather than learning the rules, it's easier to just blame the refs(only when it negatively affects your own team of course).

I can make a big list of rules and times fans are wrong and the fans will die on the hill that they are right, regardless of how many times you explain it to them.

And if the fans are bitching 90% of the time about correct calls, there is no focus on the other 10% that do need to be fixed(although about 5% of those are just missed).

The announcers themselves should be held to a higher standard. If you are going to announce the game, you should know the rules as well as that stupid ref they bring on to tell them. They should be able to look at a play and say - there are no indications, or these are the clear indications. Most of them probably do know the rules better than most, but the standard should be higher.

I don't care about the audio. I don't know what people think it will accomplish or has accomplished in other games.


How was the shot to RCW's head by the Georgia safety not targeting? it's not a judgement call as Sankey says. Or the disastrous allowance of 6 seconds to run off the clock just before HT. Once again, that's not a judgement call.
You can obviously see the Georgia player delivering a head butt blow to the crown of RCW's head while he is being tackled by another player. It's the reason RCW is wearing that Buick sized helmet now. And this effing idiot wants to say "I don't want to comment on judgement calls?" bullshite.
This post was edited on 11/10/26 at 2:36 pm
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
43374 posts
Posted on 11/10/26 at 2:55 pm to
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How was the shot to RCW's head by the Georgia safety not targeting? it's not a judgement call as Sankey says. Or the disastrous allowance of 6 seconds to run off the clock just before HT. Once again, that's not a judgement call.


It was targeting and should have been called.

I'm not saying the refs are perfect, far from it. I'm saying many of the calls people think are bad aren't really bad and if people learned the rules themselves and focused only on actual bad calls like that, then thing might get changed.

Posted by TS1926
Alabama
Member since Jan 2020
8316 posts
Posted on 11/10/26 at 3:01 pm to
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I'm not saying the refs are perfect, far from it. I'm saying many of the calls people think are bad aren't really bad and if people learned the rules themselves and focused only on actual bad calls like that, then thing might get changed.


Right I know what you said but Sankey made some blanket statement about how he's not commenting on judgement calls when there were clearly calls that were not judgement calls.
The targeting miss is the most egregious. The whole reason for the rule is to protect players from head injuries. Here you have a clear targeting call get missed and the SEC does NOTHING about it. Nothing. The Georgia player played the next week. Meanwhile, RCW missed the next game against Tennessee with a concussion.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
43374 posts
Posted on 11/10/26 at 3:10 pm to
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Right I know what you said but Sankey made some blanket statement about how he's not commenting on judgement calls when there were clearly calls that were not judgement calls.
The targeting miss is the most egregious. The whole reason for the rule is to protect players from head injuries. Here you have a clear targeting call get missed and the SEC does NOTHING about it. Nothing. The Georgia player played the next week. Meanwhile, RCW missed the next game against Tennessee with a concussion.


There were multiple bad calls in that game.

I think if people were only complaining about specific calls like that which are bad, they wouldn't be able to gloss over such a call with the general claims. When people are complaining about correct calls, it provides cover.

Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
32552 posts
Posted on 11/10/26 at 3:11 pm to
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quote:
He really is. To use the excuse that the booth isn't set up for audio, and the replay officials aren't prepared to have their discussions made public is asinine.
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The Big Ten turned on video and audio for their replay center IMMEDIATELY after their week 1 Western Michigan fiasco.

The ACC has had it for years.

Pretending like the SEC faces some sort of unique hurdles is just a blatant falsehoods and excuses from him.
His excuses make no sense. He said, "You and I can talk so casually and comfortably Pawl, but when the camera's and mic's go live, all that changes".

Like SEC replay officials would feel like they were being put on the spot and actually have to seriously consider what they verbalize and how they make judgement calls in the replay booth is infringing on their expertise as officials that are determining games.

WTF Sankey? We want transparency.
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