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re: Saban's success is not related to X's & O's, Jamal's and Javaughantay's, or 5 star
Posted on 5/14/21 at 7:31 am to Tommy Daly
Posted on 5/14/21 at 7:31 am to Tommy Daly
Funny that his assistant's don't seem to have the same success when they leave and don't have the Jamal's and Javaughantay's.
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Posted on 5/14/21 at 7:37 am to RandySavage
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Funny that his assistant's don't seem to have the same success when they leave and don't have the Jamal's and Javaughantay's.
Like Kirby Smart?
Posted on 5/14/21 at 7:43 am to Tommy Daly
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No, the players are just pieces of the puzzle that are put together by the coach
My point is Saban’s recruiting prowess is by far his greatest strength.
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Put a bunch of players on the field with a certified public accountant from Merrill Lynch as the coach, who just coaches football on the weekends, and you’ll find out it’s about the coach mostly.
The accountant with Ohio State’s players would beat the shite out of Saban with 100 frat boys. Hell, Sean Payton won a Super Bowl and got his arse torn up by a Pop Warner coach running the Single Wing.
You don’t have to be a genius at any level of football when your players are significantly bigger, faster and stronger than the opponent.
Anyone who thinks the coaching staff wins more games than the roster is ignorant. Saban has had more #1 recruiting classes and first round draft picks than anyone. Belichick coached arguably the best offensive and defensive players of all time (Brady and Taylor) and hasn’t done a damn thing without them except get fired.
This post was edited on 5/14/21 at 7:43 am
Posted on 5/14/21 at 7:51 am to Globetrotter747
- Attract great raw talent
- Have the ability to motivate and mold that raw talent into elite football players by convincing them to play and practice with a high level of motivation and focus
I think it's pretty equally both of those things.
- Have the ability to motivate and mold that raw talent into elite football players by convincing them to play and practice with a high level of motivation and focus
I think it's pretty equally both of those things.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 7:53 am to Tommy Daly
Y'all are just beating off at this point.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 8:04 am to Tommy Daly
What a load of manure...we all know it's because he buys the best players and dopes them up on deer antlers.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 8:04 am to SummerOfGeorge
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- Attract great raw talent
- Have the ability to motivate and mold that raw talent into elite football players by convincing them to play and practice with a high level of motivation and focus I think it's pretty equally both of those things.
#1 is way more important than #2.
How many all-time great college and NFL teams had mediocre players? None. How many had mediocre coaches? A bunch. 2001 Miami is arguably the greatest college team of all time and they had a shitty head coach.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 8:06 am to Globetrotter747
There is a reason coach Saban has always held the toughest practices in college football. While a lot of coaches are backing off Thursday practices coach Saban and Bama are getting after it. It's called player development. There are reasons that the coach would stare at Kiffin on the sideline and start tearing him a new one. Player and coach development matters, a lot. Coach Saban is relentless in his preparation and it has never changed. He prepares his coaches in the same manner as the players.
That said, nothing wrong with what are truly outstanding traits in coach Saban's leadership qualities either. He's unique in many respects and it's the reason all these other things happen. The guy gets human nature like no one else and it's the greatest common thread I see back to coach Bryant. They get the best out of all kinds of personalities in every game.
But BAMA has lost a few big games because they weren't talented enough. They've lost some tough games because some of the coaches weren't good enough and many got their backside fired, regardless of how they left Tuscaloosa.
To win NCs, talent, and coaching, it has to all come together. At BAMA it happens more than it doesn't. Because of the greatest coach today.
That said, nothing wrong with what are truly outstanding traits in coach Saban's leadership qualities either. He's unique in many respects and it's the reason all these other things happen. The guy gets human nature like no one else and it's the greatest common thread I see back to coach Bryant. They get the best out of all kinds of personalities in every game.
But BAMA has lost a few big games because they weren't talented enough. They've lost some tough games because some of the coaches weren't good enough and many got their backside fired, regardless of how they left Tuscaloosa.
To win NCs, talent, and coaching, it has to all come together. At BAMA it happens more than it doesn't. Because of the greatest coach today.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 8:11 am to Tommy Daly
The original poster is correct, because if elite talent is all that mattered, then LSU, UGA, and Ohio State would have more national titles than they do.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 8:16 am to Globetrotter747
Both are important. Kirby Smart has plenty of raw talent at Georgia but has yet to win anything with it and he's about to enter his sixth season as head coach. Over the course of three seasons we saw Jake Fromm go from looking like a high first round pick to getting drafted in the fifth round. That's some shoddy player development. Once you have the Jimmy's and the Joe's you usually have to develop them to win championships.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 8:21 am to Tommy Daly
Saban has maintained success because he gets the players to buy into the 'process' mentality. Don't pay attention to the score, what matters most is doing your job right.
This is why he gets pissed at times even with a 40 point lead.
The 5* talent is absolutely necessary, but to maintain this for such a long period, it's essential everyone to be on the same page.
This is why he gets pissed at times even with a 40 point lead.
The 5* talent is absolutely necessary, but to maintain this for such a long period, it's essential everyone to be on the same page.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 8:23 am to Globetrotter747
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#1 is way more important than #2.
How many all-time great college and NFL teams had mediocre players? None. How many had mediocre coaches? A bunch.
It may be more important, but #2 absolutely matters.
The past 20 years are littered with programs that recruited at a Top 5 level and won 7-10 games every year, or even ones who had a great year 1 year and then average/good years after that. Alabama's success is not just because of great talent. If it were, there would be other programs that would be right on their heels in terms of the last decade, because there are other programs that recruit right on their heels.
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2001 Miami is arguably the greatest college team of all time and they had a shitty head coach.
With a roster of guys who had been developed by the previous coaching staff, yea (it was Coker's 1st season as head coach).
This post was edited on 5/14/21 at 8:25 am
Posted on 5/14/21 at 8:23 am to Chimlim
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Saban has maintained success because he gets the players to buy into the 'process' mentality. Don't pay attention to the score, what matters most is doing your job right.
This is why he gets pissed at times even with a 40 point lead.
The 5* talent is absolutely necessary, but to maintain this for such a long period, it's essential everyone to be on the same page.
Bingo
Posted on 5/14/21 at 8:31 am to Chimlim
quote:Nailed it!
Saban has maintained success because he gets the players to buy into the 'process' mentality. Don't pay attention to the score, what matters most is doing your job right.
This is why he gets pissed at times even with a 40 point lead.
The 5* talent is absolutely necessary, but to maintain this for such a long period, it's essential everyone to be on the same page.
"Keep the main thing the main thing." Dr. Kevin Elko
Posted on 5/14/21 at 8:43 am to Tommy Daly
What Saban does can't be taught and copied to the level he does it. Only Kirby has shown any sign of possibly pulling it off to some degree.
I mean Saban has an ex NFL GM and HC as his OC for God's sake
I mean Saban has an ex NFL GM and HC as his OC for God's sake
This post was edited on 5/14/21 at 8:58 am
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:18 am to RollTide1987
Kirby does have the Jamal's and Javaughanaty's and he is a miraculous choke from having the same amount of national titles as Saban since he left Alabama.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:21 am to Poker Dough
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What Saban does can't be taught and copied to the level he does it. Only Kirby has shown any sign of possibly pulling it off to some degree.
I mean Saban has an ex NFL GM and HC as his OC for God's sake
That really isn't as rare as you'd think.
Les Miles had an ex NFL head coach as his OC and Orgeron had one as his passing game coordinator.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:31 am to SidewalkTiger
Were those guys general managers in the NFL too?
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:36 am to Poker Dough
I'm don't think so, no.
Its clear BOB wasn't either.
Its clear BOB wasn't either.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:36 am to Tommy Daly
Cheating works!! If anybody besides Les would have been at LSU the midget would not have atleast 2 of those especially 4th and half yard to go game!! Call time out LES!!! You dumb arse I remember bama puzzy qb aj crying like a baby on side lines and midget looking like something huge was inserted in his anus!! But dumb f_ck LES runs wild tiger up middle f_cking idiot!!
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