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re: Saban is still better than Urban...
Posted on 1/13/15 at 2:11 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 1/13/15 at 2:11 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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4-9
6-6
10-2
6-6
Makes you wonder what Price would have done.
He screwed two programs at once that offseason.
It all worked for the best in the end obviously.
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Posted on 1/13/15 at 2:13 pm to RTR America
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I am enjoying the dick riding of Urban
Woah.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 2:16 pm to BrerTiger
quote:LSU finished 5th and Auburn finished 14th both with a 7-1 SEC record. It's not like they lost to some scrubs.
but then lost to LSU and Auburn so that's how we know the Tide weren't that good that year.
quote:Yeah, he's not a good coach.
But 2005 was the only year that Shula didn't suck something fierce
quote:Then I could argue Chizik left Auburn in worse shape than Shula left Alabama if we are going final records and scores. 2006 Alabama lost to Arkansas in 2OTs, UT by 3, and their bowl game by 3.
. I would argue that Shula put Bama in worse shape than Zook left Florida.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 2:21 pm to Russvegas Dan
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Russvegas Dan
I really don't want to know what the picture is supposed to convey. It's intriguingly disturbing.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 2:52 pm to RTR America
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Saban went 9-2 in his one season at Toledo and his 2 losses were by a combined 5 points.
He took Bama and LSU to a SEC championship game in his 2nd season at both.
How did he do at Michigan State and the NFL..?
Posted on 1/13/15 at 2:56 pm to joeyb147
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LSU finished 5th and Auburn finished 14th both with a 7-1 SEC record. It's not like they lost to some scrubs.
Yeah, I was being facetious and repeating why I imagine many Bama fans would say about any year that ended with losses to LSU and Auburn.
My opinion is Shula left Bama in worse shape and on probation. Still better shape than many schools but not Florida. Zook left plenty of talent and no probation to deal with. Meyer credited Zook specifically from the podium when he accepted the crystal 2 years later.
To that point, let's look at Rivals recruiting rankings for that period:
2002: #15 LSU, #20 Florida, #30 Bama
2003: #1 LSU, #2 Florida, #49 Bama
2004: #2 LSU, #10 Florida, #24 Bama
2005: #15 Florida, #18 Bama
2006: #2 Florida, #11 Bama
2007: #1 Florida, #10 Bama
2008: #1 Bama, #3 Florida
2009: #1 Bama, #11 Florida
Even with Zook, Florida was still pulling in pretty decent talent. I listed LSU above only because Saban was there at the time and obviously had a huge impact on recruiting.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 3:03 pm to BrerTiger
There will be no winner on this topic...Both are damn good coaches, who get the most out of their respective teams. Urban is the offensive guru, and Saban is the defensive guru. Both build teams to their styles, and they get the job done.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 3:04 pm to BrerTiger
Yea, Shula recruited 7-5 type rosters at Alabama. He lost out on the best players in Alabama to Auburn/Florida/Tennessee.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 3:18 pm to sjmabry
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Both are damn good coaches, who get the most out of their respective teams. Urban is the offensive guru, and Saban is the defensive guru. Both build teams to their styles, and they get the job done.
Nicely put.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 3:20 pm to SummerOfGeorge
quote:2004: 7/10 including top 2
He lost out on the best players in Alabama to Auburn/Florida/Tennessee.
2005: 4/10
2006: 4/10 including #1
2007: #1 McClain, #8 Patrick Crump, & #10 William Vlachos committed to Shula
Not exactly true considering Shula got the #1 player in state 3 out of 4 years. I do love revisionist history tho.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 3:24 pm to joeyb147
Here is my one issue with Saban:
He is 8-12 at Bama against teams that finished in the top 10. When the other team is good and the playing field is even, he loses more than he wins. Dude is still awesome though
He is 8-12 at Bama against teams that finished in the top 10. When the other team is good and the playing field is even, he loses more than he wins. Dude is still awesome though
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Posted on 1/13/15 at 3:30 pm to lsupride87
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He is 8-12 at Bama against teams that finished in the top 10.
How does that record compare against other coaches, especially Meyer? I'm honestly curious.
I've always maintained that Saban is not the best gameday coach. He isn't bad but he's not a premiere Xs and Os guy. His talent is recruiting, developing, and managing the program.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 3:32 pm to FairhopeTider
quote:Meyer is 8-8. The amazing one is Peter carrol, 14-5
How does that record compare against other coaches, especially Meyer? I'm honestly curious.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 3:34 pm to Tennessee Jed
NOT Today....maybe yesterday...
Posted on 1/13/15 at 3:37 pm to lsupride87
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Meyer is 8-8. The amazing one is Peter carrol, 14-5
So Meyer is slightly better but Saban has a larger sample size. Those two probably blow away most other coaches in that regard.
Carrol's record is sick.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 3:39 pm to atlgator
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Except not really
If only they could test this theory out.
Like...with a game.
Where both teams played, and they had it all on the line.
And then one team would win, and it would be contemporary -- like...say...this month.
And this contemporary game would decide who was actually the better coach.
.......
.......
Oh wait.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 3:53 pm to Tennessee Jed
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but when you look at it closely, you'll see that Urban won his at two premier, nationally recognized CFB programs in extremely populous, talent rich states.
Saban won both of his titles at regional schools, in smaller states, with less alumni, where the built in advantages are less noticeable, or lacking all together.
bullshite! Saban's recruiting base is the entire Southeastern US. Good luck trying to build a NC at Ohio State with nothing but players from Ohio. tOSU's 3 best players this year (Barrett, Bosa and Elliott) are out of state recruits.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 3:57 pm to Russvegas Dan
Say, isnt that Greg McElroy ?
Posted on 1/13/15 at 4:08 pm to Tennessee Jed
Posted on 1/13/15 at 8:02 pm to TangipahoaTiger
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Say, isnt that Greg McElroy ?
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