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re: Saban in Congressional roundtable speaking about NIL today
Posted on 3/12/24 at 4:13 pm to AulderMagee
Posted on 3/12/24 at 4:13 pm to AulderMagee
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The last thing we need is Saban 'fixing what's wrong' with football. He was a major player in making the NCAA irrelevant. He benefitted from the old system, gamed it. He had the NCAA under his thumb.
No more. He should be nowhere near this discussion.
Anyone who doesn't agree with what he's saying either didn't bother to listen or is such a hater of all things Nick Saban and Bama that they automatically believe everything he thinks is wrong. Which one describes you?
The man is advocating for equal revenue sharing for the players while still giving them their opportunity to profit of off their name, image and likeness however they can.
How can regulating what is already an unsustainable system while still ensuring players have the ability to profit off their own NIL be a bad suggestion?
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Posted on 3/12/24 at 4:18 pm to Marktastic86
fine message, horrible messenger.
Posted on 3/12/24 at 4:22 pm to i am dan
As a lifelong, diehard fan of college sports, I’m actually glad that Saban and Greg Byrne are trying to fight this. I think Saban is spot on in his comments here.
I don’t care if they are “bammers”. They are at least fighting to preserve the very thing that the vast majority here love and that is the actual reason that this forum exists.
I don’t care if they are “bammers”. They are at least fighting to preserve the very thing that the vast majority here love and that is the actual reason that this forum exists.
Posted on 3/12/24 at 4:23 pm to FootballFrenzy
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Question: Why Saban in particular?
No other big name coach can go to congress and complain about NIL. It would pretty much be their death knell.
Saban has the recognition where congress will listen, and he isn’t coaching anymore so he can actually say what he believes.
This post was edited on 3/12/24 at 10:53 pm
Posted on 3/12/24 at 4:24 pm to Lg
Scholarships may seem enormous to the average fan but they are microscopic compared to the money that is floating around in the sport right now.
I’m going to say again, and I’m going to get downvoted all to hell as I have before but that’s OK, the reason people are so butt hurt about this is that college football fans in particular because “they pay the bills and they support the teams and they buy the merchandise” think they are the predominant party in the equation.
And their desires are not being and won’t be considered moving forward.
And they don’t want to see people they regard as simply gladiators performing for their entertainment, held in check by old-school disciplinarians like the ones who kicked their asses back when getting water at practice was seen as a sign of weakness, get a cut of the pie because it destroys their illusions of the sport.
Even though it was all a house of cards that was destined to come tumbling down as soon as it was seriously challenged, and the jillions of dollars involved in the thing right now made it inevitable that it would be seriously challenged.
Saban … and I’m a Bama fan and love the guy … can flap his gums to infinity and Cruz can posture and pontificate all he wants to, but the genie is not going to go back into the bottle as far as the basic freedoms to be compensated beyond a scholarship for their efforts and to freely market their services that the players now enjoy.
The fix is contractual. If that destroys your illusions of the sport, don’t watch. The powers that be are counting on new fans to come in and replace the old farts. There’s not a sports organization, from the NFL to the NCAA and everything in between, that cares six cacas about you unless you are 18 to 49.
I’m going to say again, and I’m going to get downvoted all to hell as I have before but that’s OK, the reason people are so butt hurt about this is that college football fans in particular because “they pay the bills and they support the teams and they buy the merchandise” think they are the predominant party in the equation.
And their desires are not being and won’t be considered moving forward.
And they don’t want to see people they regard as simply gladiators performing for their entertainment, held in check by old-school disciplinarians like the ones who kicked their asses back when getting water at practice was seen as a sign of weakness, get a cut of the pie because it destroys their illusions of the sport.
Even though it was all a house of cards that was destined to come tumbling down as soon as it was seriously challenged, and the jillions of dollars involved in the thing right now made it inevitable that it would be seriously challenged.
Saban … and I’m a Bama fan and love the guy … can flap his gums to infinity and Cruz can posture and pontificate all he wants to, but the genie is not going to go back into the bottle as far as the basic freedoms to be compensated beyond a scholarship for their efforts and to freely market their services that the players now enjoy.
The fix is contractual. If that destroys your illusions of the sport, don’t watch. The powers that be are counting on new fans to come in and replace the old farts. There’s not a sports organization, from the NFL to the NCAA and everything in between, that cares six cacas about you unless you are 18 to 49.
Posted on 3/12/24 at 4:26 pm to JayAg
“You know A&M, they bought all their players”
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A subject former coach Saban is the GOAT expert on.
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A subject former coach Saban is the GOAT expert on.
Posted on 3/12/24 at 4:30 pm to 1999
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don't be surprised the players also want a piece.
Well a free ride at these big schools is worth at least $150k today. It’s not millions but it’s not like they aren’t getting something out of the deal
Posted on 3/12/24 at 4:31 pm to BigScoreboard
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“You know A&M, they bought all their players”
A subject former coach Saban is the GOAT expert on.
Doesn't take an expert to realize A&M outright purchased their recruits for that #1 class. They're the same players who immediately transferred less than a year later after admitting they never actually received the money they were promised.
Posted on 3/12/24 at 4:34 pm to Old Hellen Yeller
That is pennies in the grand scheme of the jillions floating around in the sport right now. Do you really expect the people who are putting their actual asses on the line to do it for pennies, just because “that’s the way it’s always been and why college football is so unique and great?”
Posted on 3/12/24 at 5:03 pm to Marktastic86
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How can regulating what is already an unsustainable system while still ensuring players have the ability to profit off their own NIL be a bad suggestion?
Yeah, and when Biden tells me he's gonna 'fix the border' (music to my ears) I tune him out because I know he's just telling me what i want to hear and has some ulterior motive.
That's the problem with Saban talking this crap. I don't believe a word of it. He's still trying to game the system.
This post was edited on 3/12/24 at 5:04 pm
Posted on 3/12/24 at 5:05 pm to TheTideMustRoll
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"When he was at LSU no one knew who he was so he didn't have to pay players, but when he went to Alabama everyone knew he was going to win big so he started paying players then." - Actual posted reasoning by an LSU fan on this board
The problem with that is that there are any lsu fans capable of reasonable or rational thought. Most of them have an IQ level below room temperature.
Posted on 3/12/24 at 5:31 pm to AulderMagee
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I know he's just telling me what i want to hear and has some ulterior motive.
You could've just said right away you were a total retard.
Posted on 3/12/24 at 5:36 pm to InkStainedWretch
Interesting topic, good thread.
I believe it is fine to listen to Saban as the old coach that was incredibly successful in the old system, as long as we keep in mind who the messenger is. He was an autocratic dictator that could do whatever he wanted, and most of the old dudes here on the rant love that profile of the tough hard nosed coach screaming at his players. Those players were receiving practically no earnings (please do not start with the free college education, not one person on this rant thinks a player is recruited to Alabama football in order to get a degree) while Saban pulled in millions every year. The overall system of money and power was completely out of balance and now that it is flying apart people want to band-aid it back together and make it look like it was before - that should never happen.
InkStainedWretch is right on with most of his comments.
I believe it is fine to listen to Saban as the old coach that was incredibly successful in the old system, as long as we keep in mind who the messenger is. He was an autocratic dictator that could do whatever he wanted, and most of the old dudes here on the rant love that profile of the tough hard nosed coach screaming at his players. Those players were receiving practically no earnings (please do not start with the free college education, not one person on this rant thinks a player is recruited to Alabama football in order to get a degree) while Saban pulled in millions every year. The overall system of money and power was completely out of balance and now that it is flying apart people want to band-aid it back together and make it look like it was before - that should never happen.
InkStainedWretch is right on with most of his comments.
Posted on 3/12/24 at 5:41 pm to Marktastic86
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When Saban speaks, people listen.
Was he jumping up and down and screaming obscenities?
Posted on 3/12/24 at 5:47 pm to AulderMagee
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He's still trying to game the system.
Considering he’s retired and worth probably more than a hundred million why in the world would he be gaming the system?
He’s trying to help save the game we have loved watching but dumb fks like you don’t get it.
There are college administrators, coaches, and some congressmen that know college football is in a bad place right now and needs some changes, and then there are dummies like you that are clueless.
Posted on 3/12/24 at 5:54 pm to i am dan
Make Doge Chargers Great Again!!!
All it took 17 years ago to get players at Bama…..
All it took 17 years ago to get players at Bama…..
Posted on 3/12/24 at 5:59 pm to FlyDownTheField83
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Those players were receiving practically no earnings
There was no one better than Saban at getting players to the NFL, and it's one of the many reasons recruits wanted to play for him. His program was a pipeline to the league where these guys earned their real money, and he helped maximize their value. Those that had no shot of a professional career after college were encouraged to earn their degree, and Saban's teams consistently had one of the highest graduation rates in the conference. No need to pretend like these guys left UA with nothing to show for it.
Posted on 3/12/24 at 6:00 pm to i am dan
It's ironic to me how the sport was better when players were paid under the table.
Posted on 3/12/24 at 6:14 pm to Marktastic86
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No need to pretend these guys left UA with nothing to show for it
I never said that and your effort to portray it that way is ignorant at best. You help make my point in your very first sentence when you describe how good Saban was at getting players to the NFL, that previously was the main aim of all highly recruited players,…….., get to the NFL to make money. Saban and Alabama leveraged that spectacularly to put together great teams, while being arch hypocrites by pulling in millions and billions of dollars for themselves and their institutions. Just because there were many players that came to realize they had no shot at the NFL and got a degree does not make the old system fair or just.
Posted on 3/12/24 at 6:34 pm to FlyDownTheField83
This barner is nailing it in this thread. You old farts should listen.
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