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re: Resuming in person classes
Posted on 4/30/20 at 10:01 am to PanhandleSlim
Posted on 4/30/20 at 10:01 am to PanhandleSlim
Wouldn’t be surprised to see a lot of college do a combination of in person and online classes. Open back up campuses and residence halls, have small classes meet in person with social distancing, but larger classes meet online at least partly.
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Posted on 4/30/20 at 10:08 am to Captain Falcon
I agree that the 4 year Universities need to open for in person classes or face financial ruin. We have all learned since the shut down that this virus poses virtually no serious threat to those under 44 (.01% hospitalization rate).
People pay large $$$ to Universities for the whole college experience. No sane person is going to shell our $20k - $65k per year for their kid to sit in his bedroom taking online courses. Most will opt for gap years leaving the Universities holding the empty bag.
People pay large $$$ to Universities for the whole college experience. No sane person is going to shell our $20k - $65k per year for their kid to sit in his bedroom taking online courses. Most will opt for gap years leaving the Universities holding the empty bag.
Posted on 4/30/20 at 10:50 am to EKG
Whats the point of having all these social distancing rules if all the kids are going to be in the dorms anyways.
Posted on 4/30/20 at 10:54 am to dlc83
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I agree that the 4 year Universities need to open for in person classes or face financial ruin. We have all learned since the shut down that this virus poses virtually no serious threat to those under 44 (.01% hospitalization rate).
People pay large $$$ to Universities for the whole college experience. No sane person is going to shell our $20k - $65k per year for their kid to sit in his bedroom taking online courses. Most will opt for gap years leaving the Universities holding the empty bag.
While all true. I imagine the average professor age is probably well above 44.
Posted on 4/30/20 at 11:46 am to BurnsideStyle
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Resuming in person classes
I like that plan to use the big classrooms to allow for small classes that can space out but on campus living and the buses that take the students to class is still very communal so I don’t know about how that works from a safety perspective unless they limit that as well.
Well I think it is a good strategy, since that will allow your upper division students who are closer to graduation, and those classes are going to be of higher difficulty level, to have classes in the Traditional setting. And of course, since upper division classes have smaller class sizes, also allows for social distancing in the class room.
Posted on 4/30/20 at 11:58 am to MeatPants
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Whats the point of having all these social distancing rules if all the kids are going to be in the dorms anyways.
Alabama and Auburn (possibly all schools) mandate that all new incoming students have to provide a clean Tuberculosis test before they are allowed in student housing. How can they allow kids back on campus when there won't be a vaccine for Covid by August '20?
Hell, we don't even have a proven anti-virus treatment in full production and available for the masses right now.
Posted on 4/30/20 at 12:02 pm to MeatPants
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Whats the point of having all these social distancing rules if all the kids are going to be in the dorms anyways.
Getting students into classroom and maintaining social distancing by reducing class sizes is one thing, but this is a major piece of the puzzle --especially at large universities that have a huge contingent of non-local students.
Universities will not be keen to open housing as usual unless they can ensure they're putting every measure in place to protect students and avoid potential lawsuits. And if they can't figure out a feasible way to do that, it's hard to require students to come back for in-person classes when viable housing options are limited or nonexistent. Many students may opt to not come back in that scenario. On the other hand, many students may opt out of another semester of fully online instruction.
So much of this feels like a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't proposition. I don't envy the people who have to make these decisions.
Posted on 4/30/20 at 12:07 pm to RT1941
1. There is a good chance we will have an effective drug treatment by August. That will help very much. A vaccine in 2021 will solve the problem.
2. I like LSU's plan to open up in August but limit the huge lecture classes to virtual.
3. I believe the SEC will have football but attendance will be virtually zero.
2. I like LSU's plan to open up in August but limit the huge lecture classes to virtual.
3. I believe the SEC will have football but attendance will be virtually zero.
Posted on 4/30/20 at 12:07 pm to RT1941
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Alabama and Auburn (possibly all schools) mandate that all new incoming students have to provide a clean Tuberculosis test before they are allowed in student housing. How can they allow kids back on campus when there won't be a vaccine for Covid by August '20?
Hell, we don't even have a proven anti-virus treatment in full production and available for the masses right now.
I think Tuberculosis and those with high risk of infection included babies and young children, elderly, and those younger adults who have never been vaccinated for it when they were younger.
The COVID-19 lock downs were needed to prevent the medical system from crashing, the infection rates were graphically and exponential function, not flat line like you get with the Flu, heart attacks, etc, per month/year etc.
My theory, and all it is, is that by Summer they are going to have data suggesting over half the people have already been infected but did not have symptoms. At that point, continuing lock downs vs. limited opening up suggest we will get to the same point either way. Studies have already shown that in NYC, 1 in 5 have already had COVID-19. What we need is more data from more States to confirm how many have already had COVID-19.
Posted on 4/30/20 at 12:18 pm to JKChesterton
There needs to be a nationwide Limitation of Liability statute to accommodate all the businesses universities reopening. That's not to say businesses can be reckless or grossly negligent, but there has to be some limitation of lawsuits or getting back open will be difficult.
Or, have each family of any student returning to campus, sign a waiver of liability form, acknowledging they are aware of the risks. Those students not willing to sign could have the option of on line study.
Or, have each family of any student returning to campus, sign a waiver of liability form, acknowledging they are aware of the risks. Those students not willing to sign could have the option of on line study.
Posted on 4/30/20 at 12:26 pm to dlc83
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There needs to be a nationwide Limitation of Liability statute to accommodate all the businesses universities reopening. That's not to say businesses can be reckless or grossly negligent, but there has to be some limitation of lawsuits or getting back open will be difficult.
Or, have each family of any student returning to campus, sign a waiver of liability form, acknowledging they are aware of the risks.
This is a good idea and would at least help increase options for reopening.
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Those students not willing to sign could have the option of on line study.
This is virtually impossible from a course scheduling, faculty/resources, and instructional delivery standpoint.
Posted on 4/30/20 at 12:57 pm to PanhandleSlim
Tell that to our superintendent, I am sure you know more than they do. I just had a faculty meeting yesterday
Posted on 4/30/20 at 1:07 pm to JKChesterton
Those studies suggest that highly populated cities have a much higher infection rate which makes sense but they have never suggested that the average city/town in America has high infection rates. It is silly to assume that over-weight Billy Joe with type 2 diabetes going to Lowe’s right now in some average town has been infected with the virus and fought it off which is what many are implying on this board. A 20% infection rate in a heavily over populated area with millions of international travelers like New York does not suggest that the average US town has a 50% infection rate or anywhere close to it. The same study showed that only 4 % tested positive in upstate New York. The poor, rural areas of America better hope it doesn’t hit them with a 50% infection rate because most rural Americans don’t have great access to healthcare and many have underlying conditions.
Posted on 4/30/20 at 1:42 pm to Rip Torn
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Those studies suggest that highly populated cities have a much higher infection rate which makes sense but they have never suggested that the average city/town in America has high infection rates. It is silly to assume that over-weight Billy Joe with type 2 diabetes going to Lowe’s right now in some average town has been infected with the virus and fought it off which is what many are implying on this board. A 20% infection rate in a heavily over populated area with millions of international travelers like New York does not suggest that the average US town has a 50% infection rate or anywhere close to it. The same study showed that only 4 % tested positive in upstate New York. The poor, rural areas of America better hope it doesn’t hit them with a 50% infection rate because most rural Americans don’t have great access to healthcare and many have underlying conditions.
I agree you can't extrapolate infection rates that are estimated in NYC, or other Large Metro areas, to smaller metro areas, and even more so towns and rural areas.
But my hunch is the infection rates are significantly higher everywhere in the Country. New Orleans got hit in Mardi Gras, which was 26 February. I am in Baton Rouge 70 miles from NO. So going into a restaurant, coffee shop or any Business in Baton Rouge, given LSU/Southern/BRCC college students probably went to NO for Mardi Gras, as other people, suggest more people have it here than what the data suggest. Imagine the air travel of someone going through any Airport in the USA and then returning back to towns across the country, I just think the actual infection rates are higher than the reported rates. I am not saying we have hit the number that triggers herd immunity, which I think is 80% +, but I think it is higher than the 1.1 million reported cases.
Posted on 4/30/20 at 2:51 pm to JKChesterton
I agree with that but that same study in New York State showed that Syracuse had a significantly lower infection rate than New York City
Posted on 4/30/20 at 2:56 pm to Rip Torn
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I agree with that but that same study in New York State showed that Syracuse had a significantly lower infection rate than New York City
Agree, Syracuse is < NYC, but is it possible that the actual rate is > there than Reported rate and overtime will infection rates there eventually get to NYC rates. Maybe 1 month from now, Syracuse as a 20-25% infection rate and NYC is at 40-50%, etc. I just think there are many more COVID-19 positive individuals in every state and there is some infection going on that is not showing up in the actual reported rates.
Hopefully there will be enough testing in all 50 states, across all size Cities, and all racial/ethnic demographics, to generalize to population at large.
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