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Remedy to SEC officiating.wer
Posted on 11/13/18 at 5:48 pm
Posted on 11/13/18 at 5:48 pm
First of all, Steve Shaw who is head of SEC officials is an Alabama grad. In 2011 he was drilled about conflict of interest on allowing officials with close ties to Alabama to do Bama games. He said he understood that it's a bad look and in the future was going to try putting a stop to that but it has not happened.
As far as the MSU / Alabama game goes, I see we have had the same crew 3 of last 4 years and here is what bothers me now that I have more info...
Last year MSU was leading Bama by a touchdown. After stuffing a bama run for no gain, Hurts tosses a pass to Calvin Ridley who stepped out of bounds. The official threw down his hat but Ridley kept running down to the MSU 1 yard line. Everyone thought the play was coming back but then the officials walked over and huddled and then the official picked up his hat and waved off the penalty.
The official was Rob Skelton, the son of a former Alabama QB from the Bear Bryant days. He again officiated this past Saturdays game.
There are several officials with ties to Alabama even though the head in the sands claim they are not "directly" having ties to Alabama.
In Saturdays game there was more than just the failure to review the fumble after MSU sideline errupted with cheers that we indeed recovered the fumble. In a time where officials seem to want to review everything, why did they not do it then with so much on the line?
Others will bring up the phantom block in the back on our TD. But there is even more to this story. After that call, MSU was a little shocked and as they were lining up, Coach Moorhead did indeed run screaming at line judge Jeff Batts calling a timeout. Batts simply refused to acknowledge him and let delay of game happen. He ignored Moorhead refusing to give an explanation.
I think this got our AD's attention and yes he has contacted the Sec office seeking answers.
Now, I'm not saying Alabama coaching staff in involved in any of this because I do not believe it. I an convinced now that some officials go out of their way in key situations to give Bama the benefit.
I'm not into conspiracies but my mind has changed on this stuff. The official who threw the flag on our TD pass was already reaching for the flag before anything happened. Now THAT my friends is worthy of asking WTF is going on.
ETA: Forgot my remedy. If Shaw wants the heat of conspiracy taken off his arse, stop putting officials in calling Alabama games if they have ties to the Universiry!
As far as the MSU / Alabama game goes, I see we have had the same crew 3 of last 4 years and here is what bothers me now that I have more info...
Last year MSU was leading Bama by a touchdown. After stuffing a bama run for no gain, Hurts tosses a pass to Calvin Ridley who stepped out of bounds. The official threw down his hat but Ridley kept running down to the MSU 1 yard line. Everyone thought the play was coming back but then the officials walked over and huddled and then the official picked up his hat and waved off the penalty.
The official was Rob Skelton, the son of a former Alabama QB from the Bear Bryant days. He again officiated this past Saturdays game.
There are several officials with ties to Alabama even though the head in the sands claim they are not "directly" having ties to Alabama.
In Saturdays game there was more than just the failure to review the fumble after MSU sideline errupted with cheers that we indeed recovered the fumble. In a time where officials seem to want to review everything, why did they not do it then with so much on the line?
Others will bring up the phantom block in the back on our TD. But there is even more to this story. After that call, MSU was a little shocked and as they were lining up, Coach Moorhead did indeed run screaming at line judge Jeff Batts calling a timeout. Batts simply refused to acknowledge him and let delay of game happen. He ignored Moorhead refusing to give an explanation.
I think this got our AD's attention and yes he has contacted the Sec office seeking answers.
Now, I'm not saying Alabama coaching staff in involved in any of this because I do not believe it. I an convinced now that some officials go out of their way in key situations to give Bama the benefit.
I'm not into conspiracies but my mind has changed on this stuff. The official who threw the flag on our TD pass was already reaching for the flag before anything happened. Now THAT my friends is worthy of asking WTF is going on.
ETA: Forgot my remedy. If Shaw wants the heat of conspiracy taken off his arse, stop putting officials in calling Alabama games if they have ties to the Universiry!
This post was edited on 11/13/18 at 5:51 pm
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Posted on 11/13/18 at 5:50 pm to MullenBoys
LOLLLLL
Posted on 11/13/18 at 5:50 pm to MullenBoys
Posted on 11/13/18 at 5:53 pm to MullenBoys
I hope they make changes because the current SEC refs are shite. But, it seems officials across all leagues are shite.
I don't think it's going to make a difference. No matter how the refs are chosen, people are going to claim they're on Bamas payroll. Until Bama isn't good again. Then all of this bullshite will be forgotten.
I don't think it's going to make a difference. No matter how the refs are chosen, people are going to claim they're on Bamas payroll. Until Bama isn't good again. Then all of this bullshite will be forgotten.
This post was edited on 11/13/18 at 5:55 pm
Posted on 11/13/18 at 5:57 pm to MykTide
Well, in the past , MSU just took it and I think some officials just see us as being weak defending ourselves. Again, I'm not blaming Alabama personally, I don't think the cosches have anything to do with it. But officials are human and we all know there is corruption in EVERY business.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 5:58 pm to MullenBoys
As a start and at a minimum, two things need to happen:
1. Steve Shaw needs to be replaced by someone with no ties to the SEC whatsoever.
2. Each referee should undergo a special background check for the purpose of uncovering any potential conflicts of interest where any SEC school is concerned. In the case(s) where there may be a conflict of interest with a school(s), the official should not be allowed to officiate any of their games.
1. Steve Shaw needs to be replaced by someone with no ties to the SEC whatsoever.
2. Each referee should undergo a special background check for the purpose of uncovering any potential conflicts of interest where any SEC school is concerned. In the case(s) where there may be a conflict of interest with a school(s), the official should not be allowed to officiate any of their games.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 5:59 pm to MullenBoys
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I'm not into conspiracies but my mind has changed on this stuff.
Yeah, no one believes this.
But write another essay on it and you might convince me.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 6:04 pm to MullenBoys
Posted on 11/13/18 at 6:08 pm to MullenBoys
Read the rule on stepping OOB DUMASS then apologize for being a dumass. Here it is in nut shell so you can stop pretending not to know. A rec becomes ineligible when he steps out of bounds. He becomes eligible again once he takes 3 steps in bounds. The ref marked the spot he stepped out to help determine whether he had taken the prescribed number of steps to become eligible again. Since you don't know he rules I'm assuming you have no clue or basis for any of the rest of your post either.
This post was edited on 11/13/18 at 6:58 pm
Posted on 11/13/18 at 6:19 pm to KyleOrtonsMustache
A good friend,now retired, called ACC games for over 20 yrs. Later in his career he was offered an opportunity to call SEC games & he turned it down despite a significant increase in both pay and per diem money. When I asked him why recently, he said "there is way too much interference from the league office". He would not elaborate but when the DW controversy blew up 2 wks ago, he called & said that was the kind of interference he was talking about.Again he would not elaborate because he "still has friends calling SEC games".And if ant further proof is needed that Shaw is clean, consider that Finebaum describes Shaw as "the best of the best".
Posted on 11/13/18 at 6:25 pm to jimdog
Well this is what I found regarding your comment.
" An originally eligible pass receiver loses his eligibility when he goes out of bounds, either on his own or due to contact with an opponent. "
Now, I assume if he is pushed out of bounds then their would be a flag.
" An originally eligible pass receiver loses his eligibility when he goes out of bounds, either on his own or due to contact with an opponent. "
Now, I assume if he is pushed out of bounds then their would be a flag.
This post was edited on 11/13/18 at 6:27 pm
Posted on 11/13/18 at 6:34 pm to TNTigerman
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1. Steve Shaw needs to be replaced by someone with no ties to the SEC whatsoever. 2. Each referee should undergo a special background check for the purpose of uncovering any potential conflicts of interest where any SEC school is concerned. In the case(s) where there may be a conflict of interest with a school(s), the official should not be allowed to officiate any of their games.
This is ridiculous overkill.
Football officiating is both highly observable and strongly objective: these officials can and should be studied closely and officials with problems should be rooted out.
Of course, the SEC is making money hand over foot so there is no real incentive for getting better officials.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 6:43 pm to MullenBoys
If I was a Mississippi State fan I would be upset about the officiating in he game too. And my remedy is to do away with conference officials all together and just have NCAA officials that only answer to the Indianapolis office.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 6:49 pm to moester75
I have a friend who is a SEC Referee. He also played football and graduated from Alabama.
He told me many years ago he is not allowed to work games involving Alabama and further more he said he would not want to for obvious reasons.
So I guess I am confused as to how Bama affiliated referees are officiating Bama games when they are not allowed to do so.
He told me many years ago he is not allowed to work games involving Alabama and further more he said he would not want to for obvious reasons.
So I guess I am confused as to how Bama affiliated referees are officiating Bama games when they are not allowed to do so.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 6:51 pm to Keltic Tiger
Lol. The "good friend" with "insider" information, who just happens to provide said information to an LSU fan.
You are basically implying that only the SEC has "interference", yet we all hear how the ACC refs, etc. are protecting Clemson, so the ACC can represent in the playoffs.
C'mon, dude, get off your conspiracy theory train. It's baseless.
Always the top ranked teams appear to have bias, because they are the ones that win. And you want to try to make it that they only win because of bias from refs.
Let me remind you that Alabama has been penalized more than LSU in 4 of the past 5 games against each other.
But, somehow that's not bias.
You are basically implying that only the SEC has "interference", yet we all hear how the ACC refs, etc. are protecting Clemson, so the ACC can represent in the playoffs.
C'mon, dude, get off your conspiracy theory train. It's baseless.
Always the top ranked teams appear to have bias, because they are the ones that win. And you want to try to make it that they only win because of bias from refs.
Let me remind you that Alabama has been penalized more than LSU in 4 of the past 5 games against each other.
But, somehow that's not bias.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 6:52 pm to MullenBoys
No SEC ref can call game involving the school he attended. Nor one where a coach is involved with whom he played for or played with. Doesn't happen.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 6:53 pm to Godawgs4
They are not allowed too nor do they do so.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 6:54 pm to moester75
LINK
Ok while this was NBA, I posted link and will paste the basics before expanding on what I have to say although mine has nothing to do with the NBA.
Donaghy resigned from the league on July 9, 2007[4] before reports of an investigation by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) for allegations that he bet on games that he officiated during his last two seasons and that he made calls affecting the point spread in those games.[5] On August 15, 2007, Donaghy pleaded guilty to two federal charges related to the investigation.
OK, so I remember reading something years back where a CBS/ CNN (I think it was those two) did a survey among officials. It was voluntary and none of the officials had to give their identity on the questionnaire (to protect the integrity of the survey) which was a basic paper asking whether they have bet on the game they officiate. Over 40% admitted they had in fact bet on the very game they officiated. I just tried to google it but can't find it. Does anyone have a link to that? Its been like 18 years ago.
Ok while this was NBA, I posted link and will paste the basics before expanding on what I have to say although mine has nothing to do with the NBA.
Donaghy resigned from the league on July 9, 2007[4] before reports of an investigation by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) for allegations that he bet on games that he officiated during his last two seasons and that he made calls affecting the point spread in those games.[5] On August 15, 2007, Donaghy pleaded guilty to two federal charges related to the investigation.
OK, so I remember reading something years back where a CBS/ CNN (I think it was those two) did a survey among officials. It was voluntary and none of the officials had to give their identity on the questionnaire (to protect the integrity of the survey) which was a basic paper asking whether they have bet on the game they officiate. Over 40% admitted they had in fact bet on the very game they officiated. I just tried to google it but can't find it. Does anyone have a link to that? Its been like 18 years ago.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 6:56 pm to MullenBoys
You didn't read it all or you choose not to admit the entire rule. A player is ineligible when he steps out of bounds but regains eligibility once he makes 3 steps in bounds.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 6:56 pm to jimdog
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No SEC ref can call game involving the school he attended. Nor one where a coach is involved with whom he played for or played with. Doesn't happen.
But if his dad was QB for that University then it's ok? Or if his kid went there etc?
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