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re: Ranking the HC Jobs Based on Desirability
Posted on 12/15/20 at 1:31 pm to BHMKyle
Posted on 12/15/20 at 1:31 pm to BHMKyle
USC has the same problems that Texas does. The AD has to deal with a hostile fanbase with unrealistic expectations - and meddlesome donors. Not in the championship game every year? Unacceptable!
I still remember a conversation I had with Mack Brown about Texas fans. He said the only ones worse in all of CFB were those at USC
I still remember a conversation I had with Mack Brown about Texas fans. He said the only ones worse in all of CFB were those at USC
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Posted on 12/15/20 at 2:01 pm to stat19
quote:Boom!
Except last year.
Posted on 12/15/20 at 2:27 pm to michael corleone
Agree with regard to LSU likely being better than UGA. Certainly you have performed much better but as fertile as your recruiting area is, UGA's is really second to none, even UF's.
Actually Alabama 203, LSU 202. Add in 2020 and it is 213-206. Also Bama had crippling scholarship limit effects from 96-07.
Actually Alabama 203, LSU 202. Add in 2020 and it is 213-206. Also Bama had crippling scholarship limit effects from 96-07.
Posted on 12/15/20 at 2:30 pm to BHMKyle
Arkansas has a lot of raw and undedevoped football talent in the Little Rock Metro area.
But that is starting to turn around with better coaching.
Arkansas has never relied on instate talent for it's entire history when they have bordered a top 5 division 1 producing state in the nation.
Texas, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Missouri, Tennessee, Mississippi and Louisiana have been the states historically where our best players came from.
The instate talent argument would hold more water if every school were not permitted to recruit out of state. But all SEC schools recruit the majority out of state.
But that is starting to turn around with better coaching.
Arkansas has never relied on instate talent for it's entire history when they have bordered a top 5 division 1 producing state in the nation.
Texas, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Missouri, Tennessee, Mississippi and Louisiana have been the states historically where our best players came from.
The instate talent argument would hold more water if every school were not permitted to recruit out of state. But all SEC schools recruit the majority out of state.
Posted on 12/15/20 at 2:37 pm to boston vol
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USC is way too low. Should be top 5. Yes the stadium is a dump, but it’s the most fertile recruiting ground in the country. That in addition to a substantially weaker conference as compared to other P5 schools make it a highly desirable job.
Disagree, use to be top 5, but football in the PAC12 footprint is on life support. Fans for the most part don't care, administrators at most of the schools there tolerate football.
HS players from California the last 5 or so years are starting to come to the SEC, some have in the past gone to schools like Texas, Notre Dame, Michigan, Ohio State. Alabama and Clemson signed 2 of the top QB prospects last year from California.
Posted on 12/15/20 at 2:41 pm to BHMKyle
The reason we are the worst since 2012 is not because of instate talent but terrible coaching hires.
John L. Smith
Bert
Chad Morris
John L. Smith
Bert
Chad Morris
Posted on 12/15/20 at 2:53 pm to rockiee
Bert was a good hire on paper but a bad fit. Because he was stuck with a pro style offense while the rest of the SEC were evolving into more spread offenses.
It also didn't help that he had a terrible work ethic in recruiting and was a drunk.
It also didn't help that he had a terrible work ethic in recruiting and was a drunk.
Posted on 12/15/20 at 2:57 pm to BHMKyle
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The LSU job is so desirable that you had to settle for the Shrimp Boat Captain.
You mean the Shrimp Boat Captain that Georgia can't beat and that led LSU to the greatest season ever in the history of college football?
Posted on 12/15/20 at 2:59 pm to dchog
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Because he was stuck with a pro style offense while the rest of the SEC were evolving into more spread offenses.
Eh, the offense was fine with Enos. The issue was mainly on the replacement hires. A big one was Pittman's replacement. The team also started getting to slow, especially on defense.
Posted on 12/15/20 at 3:25 pm to jodeaux
quote:Alabama simply has a history that is continuous and can't be denied. Only 8 coaches in SEC history have 80+ winning % with 6+ years on the job. Alabama has 5 of those 8, along with Neyland at UT, Spurrier and Meyer at UF. Most programs do well to have a couple of 70+ winning % coaches.
If you're thinking about Alabama objectively it's not a great job. I'd take USC, Florida, Texas, Ohio St, Georgia and LSU over Bama.
Ala Saban (14...yrs, 5 NCs) 87.2
UT Neyland (21, 1) 82.9
Ala Bryant (25, 6) 82.4
UF Spurrier (12, 1) 81.6
UF Meyer (6, 2) 81.3
Ala Wade (8, 3) 81.1
Ala Thomas (14, 1) 81.1
Ala Stallings (7, 1) 81.0
That's 68 of the last 97 years under coaches with an 80+ winning %, including 46 of the last 62 years under 3 such coaches: Bryant, Stallings, Saban.
Bama has been seriously committed to winning since 1920. They are in the middle of a rich recruiting area. They have a rabid fanbase who treat their players like kings. Though they share the state with a major program, they have always been able to get most of the in-state talent they really want. Even in the dark days of the effects of scholarship reductions, 96-07, with mediocre, at best, coaches, DuBose, Fran and Shula, each won 10 games in a season in their short tenures and DuBose of all people won an SEC title beating Spurrier's UF team twice in a year and holding them to 114 yards total offense in the SEC title game, the least in his career. 12 of Bama's last 13 coaches have had at least one 10+ win season (Whitworth, 1955-57 only exception); Bill Curry (worst record in UK history, losing record at GT) and Mike DuBose won SEC titles, Fran won the West in his 2 years here but couldn't play in the title game because of sanctions. Stallings was 27-45 at A&M, 70-16-1, 81% at Bama. If you can coach at all, you can win big at Alabama.
Posted on 12/15/20 at 3:29 pm to BHMKyle
Only a georgia fan, or someone who hates lsu with a passion, would have uga listed above lsu on this list. Lsu is without question a top 5 program in football and I don't think that's even a debate. We are one of only 2 programs nationally in football that has won a national title with 3 consecutive head coaches. If that doesn't speak to the overall availability to too notch talent and the opportunity to win national titles, even if our head coaches aren't that great, idk what does. Lsu is definitely above uga and is a top 5 program nationally. Get real and stop showing your bias towards uga, your hatred towards lsu, or a combo of both. Idk who you are s true fan of, but your list is shite. Uga at number 4? Lol. Texas shouldn't be as high as they are either btw.
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Posted on 12/15/20 at 3:36 pm to BHMKyle
I think you place too much weight on recent w/l success. Good recruiting is much more important. Nick Saban followed Curly Halman and Gerry Dinardo, and Urban Myer followed Zook and Charlie Strong.
Posted on 12/15/20 at 4:09 pm to Ping Pong
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Georgia not a top 5 job.
You wish that were true table tennis
Posted on 12/15/20 at 4:13 pm to BHMKyle
We had recruits that committed here from Florida because they had never seen snow before.
Posted on 12/15/20 at 4:15 pm to rockiee
Sure the offense was fine but Bert wouldn't have evolved with the rest of the SEC.
Posted on 12/15/20 at 4:18 pm to djsdawg
The thing I don’t get about Georgia is an inability to win national titles. Clemson which is right next to UGA can. Georgia Tech is not an obstacle to UGA recruiting. Something there doesn’t make sense. And yes LSU has recent national titles over UGA. That has to figure in
Posted on 12/15/20 at 4:40 pm to BHMKyle
Their admin is more of an issue than being in a shitty part of LA.
Posted on 12/15/20 at 4:48 pm to BHMKyle
quote:The Shrimp Boat Captain won a natty and had what some consider the best college football team of all time
Yep. The LSU job is so desirable that you had to settle for the Shrimp Boat Captain. You could have anyone you wanted, and that's who you chose?
Since a simple shrimper can do that, wouldnt lsu be the most desirable job on the planet for an actual football coach?
Posted on 12/15/20 at 4:49 pm to JKChesterton
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Disagree, use to be top 5, but football in the PAC12 footprint is on life support.
^^THIS^^
Anyone who thinks that USC is still a Top 5 job has not been paying attention to just how pathetic things are in the PAC 12... plus the fact they are only getting worse. In 2024 when the new SEC TV deal kicks in with ABC/ESPN, each SEC team will have at least $15 million more in annual revenue than it already has. The PAC 12 is getting left in the dust.
Number of Games this season that have garnered at least 3 million Television Viewers by Conference:
15- SEC
14- ACC
10- BIG 10
5- Big 12
1- PAC 12
One. One game all season long that has garnered at least 3 million viewers. Granted they've played fewer games, but, but this is still ridiculous. No one on the West Coast cares about football.
Posted on 12/15/20 at 5:26 pm to Farmer1906
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CU seems high. They weren't even a P5 school until a few years back. They don't have a giant fanbase. Their stadium is fine. No major history. Did well enough as a G5, but no other real history.
You are a Texas guy, so probably know more than I, but as a someone who has read a fair bit of cfb history, is this really true? Once again... I know little about TCU outside the early days and Patterson and his major bowl wins.
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