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re: Rank the Basketball Bluebloods
Posted on 4/1/25 at 9:15 pm to AUTiger789
Posted on 4/1/25 at 9:15 pm to AUTiger789
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Almost the entirety of UCLA’s major success occurred between 1964-1975, when the tournament had either 23 or 24 teams except for ‘75 when it expanded to 32 teams.
Interestingly the same years Wooden went from a 65% winning coach to a 95% winning coach. Wonder who appeared on the UCLA scene in that decade?
Sam Gilbert (1913 – November 23, 1987) was an American businessman who owned a construction company in Los Angeles, California. He is best known as a controversial athletic booster of the UCLA Bruins men's basketball team from the mid-1960s until UCLA was ordered to disassociate from him in 1981. He ran a money-laundering enterprise to finance the now-famous World Poker Tour tour stop called the Bicycle Casino, for which he was posthumously indicted in 1987.
Watch a movie called "Blue Chips" knowing the Wooden / Gilbert dynamic
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Here are how those same stats look in just the modern era:
National Titles:
5- Duke (In Federal court proven payments to street hutlers yet kept 2 BANNERS with ZERO punishment
4- North Carolina (worst academic cheating in US history, 25+ years (started with Dean Smith)
3- Kentucky, Kansas
1- UCLA
*UConn has 6 and Villanova has 3
UNC and Duke played second fiddle to NC State till ESPN came along
UConn (men and women) did not exist till ESPN came along (HQ in Bristol CT)
Dook is the modern UCLA (1 coach with lots of titles and lots of questions)
Until ESPN college basketball was East Coast and the area with Indianapolis / Cincinnati / Louisville / Lexington. After ESPN it has skewed UConn / UNC / Dook.
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Posted on 4/1/25 at 10:01 pm to TT9
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11- UCLA
Wooden was the OG cheat. Look up Sam Gilbert.
nailed it - Papa G was at the bottom and top of Wooden's "Pyramid of Success" ...
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1990-04-23-mn-107-story.html
without checking I believe Arizona has been a better basketball program out West since Sam died -
Posted on 4/2/25 at 6:13 am to AUTiger789
You should consider Florida a modern-era Blue Blood. A Championship this year would have them knocking on the door of being an all-time Blue Blood.
48-20 All-time in the NCAA Tournament
2 NCAA Titles
1 NCAA Runner up
6 Final 4 Appearances
10 Elite 8 Appearances
12 Sweet 16
48-20 All-time in the NCAA Tournament
2 NCAA Titles
1 NCAA Runner up
6 Final 4 Appearances
10 Elite 8 Appearances
12 Sweet 16
Posted on 4/2/25 at 6:30 am to theGarnetWay
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Smaller number of entries means it was harder to get into the tournament. Why wouldn’t that count?
I agree with that sentiment. Although I'll also add the NCAA tournament used to only allow conference tournament winners in. Meaning you could have a hell of a season, win the regular season title, and not get in.
Just wanted to clarify... This was NOT an NCAA rule... but rather a conference policy that some conferences like the ACC had.
Conferences like the PAC 8/10 didn't even have a tournament at all. The Big 8 had a Christmas tournament but not a post season one.
So it was their regular season champion that got consideration for the tournament.
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Posted on 4/2/25 at 7:19 am to lsupride87
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Duke didn’t win a title until 1991
Is their blood really blue?
While it is true that Duke didn't win the tournament until 1991, they had eight final four appearances (starting in 1963) and four runner ups (starting in 1964) before that season, so they had a lot of history and success for decades before.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 7:50 am to AUTiger789
Wheres auburn and bama
Posted on 4/2/25 at 8:37 am to Jdillard343434
I have a formula that I’ve applied to NCAA historical success and when the season is over, I’ll post my all time rankings
Florida is currently #13 with a chance to jump Arizona and move to #12 with a national title.
Bama is currently #39.
Auburn is currently #54. A win Saturday would move them to #50 (ahead of Iowa State, Pitt, BYU, and San Francisco). A national title would move Auburn up to #43.
Florida is currently #13 with a chance to jump Arizona and move to #12 with a national title.
Bama is currently #39.
Auburn is currently #54. A win Saturday would move them to #50 (ahead of Iowa State, Pitt, BYU, and San Francisco). A national title would move Auburn up to #43.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 8:49 am to URGatorB8
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48-20 All-time in the NCAA Tournament
As of now think it is 52-22 (70.2%)
Posted on 4/2/25 at 10:07 am to AUTiger789
That is a short list.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 10:31 am to TexasWranglers
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I’m surprised there isn’t someone making the UCONN argument that doesn’t understand the meaning of “blue blood”
UCONN should only be below Kentucky, UCLA, Duke, and UNC. having any other program above UCONN would be like saying Texas baseball is a better program than LSU. UCONN has won a title in 4 straight decades. Only UNC has more consecutive decades with a title and Duke is the only other school to go 4 in a row. Half a century of success is enough to be a blue blood.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 10:53 am to 1801
Thanks for the link, good read.
To be fair, he was a gangster back in the 50's and 60's, not like this was new to just his older years. Wooden knew but let it happen, NCAA just blesses some schools and prosecutes others in their place.
If the NCAA was honest about the "Death Penalty" the Southern Cal would have gotten it long before SMU did. Young folks forget the PCC and why it was "reborn" as the PAC (ironically the 2 PCC schools not cheating were not invited to be in the PAC).
To be fair, he was a gangster back in the 50's and 60's, not like this was new to just his older years. Wooden knew but let it happen, NCAA just blesses some schools and prosecutes others in their place.
If the NCAA was honest about the "Death Penalty" the Southern Cal would have gotten it long before SMU did. Young folks forget the PCC and why it was "reborn" as the PAC (ironically the 2 PCC schools not cheating were not invited to be in the PAC).
Posted on 4/2/25 at 11:02 am to AlextheBodacious
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UCONN should only be below Kentucky, UCLA, Duke, and UNC.
UConn and ACC (UNC and Duke) should bear and ESPN *
The Moore thing between Pat and Geno was true, yet no NCAA investigation and no banner taken down in CT.
Long term basketball blue bloods
Kentucky
Indiana (if Case stays at IU, no Tobacco Road at NC State)
Kansas
North Carolina
On a side note, if a telephone pole was not knocked out in a storm, Wooden stays in the B1G, and not in the PCC / PAC
Posted on 4/2/25 at 11:18 am to Cheese Grits
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The Moore thing between Pat and Geno was true, yet no NCAA investigation and no banner taken down in CT.
Plenty of waaah burgers and french cries still going around though.
I assumed this was just men’s basketball. If we’re including women’s, UCONN is #1 program if all time lol. The gap between Geno and the field is too big.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 11:31 am to AlextheBodacious
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UCONN should only be below Kentucky, UCLA, Duke, and UNC.
Kansas is clearly ahead of UConn.
Tournament Appearances: Kansas 51, UConn 37
Appearances in Final 32:
Kansas 45, UConn 32
Sweet 16 Appearances:
Kansas 32, UConn 19
Elite 8 Appearances:
Kansas 23, UConn 13
Final Four Appearances:
Kansas 15, UConn 7
Title Game Appearances:
Kansas 10, UConn 6
National Titles:
UConn 6, Kansas 4
Two extra national titles does not make up for 14 extra Tournament appearances that resulted in 4 additional runs ending in the title game, 5 additional runs ending in the Final Four, one additional run ending in the Elite 8, and 3 additional runs ending in the Sweet 16.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 12:23 pm to AlextheBodacious
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UCONN is #1 program if all time lol.
If Pat Summit = Adolph Rupp (play anybody, anytime, anywhere)
Then Geno = Wooden (ESPN becomes Papa Sam to the women)
Maya Moore was a Vol
ESPN invited her to Bristol and flipped her to Uconn
If anybody else had done this and covered it up the NCAA would have been all up their butt getting an answer and handing out punishment like candy at Halloween. Imagine if a #1 kid was committed to BuckNuts to play foozeball and ESPN flipped them to MeatChicken.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 12:38 pm to MrGumshoes
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The win % of UCLA titles when they reach the final 4 is 60%. That will never be beat IMHO.
Maybe not by the others listed but UConn has made 7 final fours and won 6 titles. Hell, since their first title they’ve won the title 60% of the time they’ve made the sweet 16. Just ridiculously efficient.
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