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re: Quotes from coaches around the country on the Bert/Saban proposed rule change

Posted on 2/16/14 at 2:01 pm to
Posted by coachcrisp
pensacola, fl
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Posted on 2/16/14 at 2:01 pm to
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I don't think Bama fans fully understand how badly Saban is coming across on this deal. Not just here - it's universal. He'll be a laughing stock until he retires, win or not.
No. I don't think you know how ridiculous your post is coming across on this thread. You idiots are acting like these two coaches are in collusion to try to sabatage college football! Get a grip!
This post was edited on 2/16/14 at 2:02 pm
Posted by Captain Rumbeard
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Posted on 2/16/14 at 2:02 pm to
And you are in the firm grip of some serious denial.
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Posted on 2/16/14 at 2:03 pm to
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So it's an unfair advantage


Not unfair, just an advantage.

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I thought football was about strategizing against the personnel on the field


If what you are saying is true then why schedule patsy teams. That isn't about strategizing. That is overpowering another with talent and size to give a team a breather for lack of a better word. Why don't you complain about that as well? Maybe we should have a rule change on who can be scheduled since football is just about strategy against personnel on the field.
Posted by coachcrisp
pensacola, fl
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 2/16/14 at 2:09 pm to
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And you are in the firm grip of some serious denial.
Within the next 2 Januarys, when Saban's picture is shown all over the country for weeks holding up the National Championship Trophy, I'm sure everyone will really remember all this.
Posted by MrAUTigers
Florida
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 2/16/14 at 2:14 pm to
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Within the next 2 Januarys, when Saban's picture is shown all over the country for weeks holding up the National Championship Trophy,


I'm sure saban will be at the game giving his "expertise", but I don't see Gus letting saban hold up Gus' trophy.
Posted by chattabama
12essee
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 2/16/14 at 2:16 pm to
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If what you are saying is true then why schedule patsy teams. That isn't about strategizing. That is overpowering another with talent and size to give a team a breather for lack of a better word. Why don't you complain about that as well? Maybe we should have a rule change on who can be scheduled since football is just about strategy against personnel on the field


So, IYO what is football? What should it look like? From a great defensive minded coach:

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"What it's about now is who can snap the football before the other team lines up. You can’t hardly get your players on and off the field. You can’t get your signals in and out. It’s become who has the best signal system or verbiage system. “

“Frankly, I don’t know what that proves except someone has a better verbiage package. It’s not about blocking, tackling, running, route running, throwing, and so forth. It’s something the college football world needs to look at.”

“It sounds like sour grapes right now, but there is not a balanced playing field. The chalk is always in one person’s hand. That’s what has made it the most difficult in the last several years in the world of college football coaching.”


What changes his mind? His paycheck.

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That is overpowering another with talent and size to give a team a breather for lack of a better word. Why don't you complain about that as well?


In theory the patsy teams have just as much of an opportunity to win as the powerhouse team. Of course, that is not how it works out in practicality. There is no rule in the system that prevents them from succeeding or gives them an uneven playing field. The competitive advantage for the powerhouse team is simply the talent on the field, and some of the strategy as well. When these teams play Bama, they have the opportunity to play as many players as they want with multiple times to sub.

And for the record, I would have no problem getting rid of the patsy games. They are just a waste of time anyway. Although one of the benefits of those games is it gives a lot of the underclassmen opportunities to show why they deserve to be on the field.
Posted by coachcrisp
pensacola, fl
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 2/16/14 at 2:20 pm to
We'll see!
Posted by finestfirst79
Vicksburg, Mississippi
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 2/16/14 at 2:22 pm to
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So it's an unfair advantage because the offense gets to dictate when the defense can substitute.


There's nothing unfair about it. The defense can substitute any time they want, they just have to be quicker about it. What has Saban's knickers in a knot is he doesn't have time to replace half the defense between plays unless they're lined up on the sideline ready to go.

Patrick Larimore got 7 or more concussions from playing HUNH teams? Really?
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Posted on 2/16/14 at 2:27 pm to
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What changes his mind? His paycheck.


You act as if his opinion is a fact. It is just an opinion.

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In theory the patsy teams have just as much of an opportunity to win as the powerhouse team.


So it seems you are accepting of theory in some cases, but not in others. In theory and by rule a defensive team can substitute, but sometimes cannot due to the offense putting pressure on them. You and others seem to pick and choose what is strategy and what is not.

A HUNH is simply strategizing to catch a defense out of position. Of course they are hoping to tire out a defense and take advantage of their lack of conditioning. Just as any coach looks to exploit weaknesses of the opposing team. Not sure why this is so difficult for some of you.
Posted by coachcrisp
pensacola, fl
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 2/16/14 at 2:28 pm to
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Patrick Larimore got 7 or more concussions from playing HUNH teams? Really?
Sounds like nobody told old Patrick that he had his helmet on backward!
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Posted on 2/16/14 at 2:34 pm to
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Patrick Larimore


Larimore, a senior who was a team captain last season, suffered a concussion in April and sat out the latter portion of spring practice. He returned for the first two days of training camp, but had another concussion Aug. 6 and hasn't been back since.

Looks like at least two of those concussions took place against his home team. Were they running the HUNH when he got them?
Posted by MrAUTigers
Florida
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Posted on 2/16/14 at 2:36 pm to
So now the gumps are saying that the HUNH causes more concussions?
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Posted on 2/16/14 at 2:40 pm to
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So now the gumps are saying that the HUNH causes more concussions?


That is how I took it since he used the quote from the LB who quit football. Which I understand as I have a nephew that did the same, and now an OC on the college level. He runs a HUNH style of offense.
Posted by Captain Rumbeard
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 2/16/14 at 2:43 pm to
I heard the HUNH gave Saban a yeast infection.
Posted by rocksteady
Member since Sep 2013
2323 posts
Posted on 2/16/14 at 2:52 pm to
The rule in General is such horse shite MAINLY because:
1) it's hiding behind a player safety headline, which most of here seem to agree is bullshite. That alone should get it tossed.

2) it's going to be called a "delay of game" penalty.........
......... ......... ...... WHAT? All this says is that they are utterly confused how to implement this garbage.

3) the rule disappears in the last two minutes. LOL. We are so concerned about player safety, but in the last 2 mins, which in ALOT of games is the MOST intense time, and most physically grueling - yeah, in those two mins, we uhh, no longer care about player safety.

It's one thing for Saban and others to lobby for a rule that benefit his team, it's a -little- different when the rule is so absurdly horse shite and he's still lobbying for it. I applaud the few bama fans that have admitted this. You can use whatever words you want "pussy" "whining" whatever, it's suspect of his CHARACTER at best.
Posted by mpwilging
Punta Gorda Isles, Florida
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 2/16/14 at 3:01 pm to
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If you aren't aligned with Saban you will be on the losing side.

Saban gets what he wants.



New Gump Honey Badger
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
45656 posts
Posted on 2/16/14 at 3:04 pm to
I don't know why gumps are still trying to defend this.

I guess just utter stupidity.
Posted by GreyReb
Member since Jun 2010
4478 posts
Posted on 2/16/14 at 3:06 pm to
What happens when a defensive player jumps offsides from anytime between secon 40 and 29? Can the offense snap the ball to get an offsides penalty on the defender? Who would get the flag then?

Can the defender just go hang out in the backfield as long as he is back for second 29?
Posted by dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
Dystopia (but well cared for)
Member since Mar 2012
25235 posts
Posted on 2/16/14 at 3:10 pm to
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Saban gets what he wants.

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New Gump Honey Badger

definite fark board material
Posted by borotiger
Murfreesboro Tennessee
Member since Jan 2004
13642 posts
Posted on 2/16/14 at 3:57 pm to
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And I don't understand how it's so difficult for you Gumps to understand. People are actually playing football now. This creates data that can be analyzed. For whatever reason, the data suggests that those teams running more plays are actually injured less. Besides, nobody seem to give a shite about this logic when we were adding games and adding a playoff which added yet another game. 


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