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We need to be decorating the lamp posts with these scumbags.
You know, with ribbons and paint and rainbows in minecraft.
Well the Goa'uld are parasites sooooo...

They're basically communism in the flesh.
"No effective difference"

Navy sunk.
Air Force destroyed on the ground.
Army scattered to the winds because if they bunch up they get slaughtered.
Population seething and wanting blood of the Mullahs.
No Nuclear program left.
No Nuclear scientists still alive.
No centrifuges.
Bomb materials buried under a mile of dirt and rock.
Economy in total freefall.
No ability to build more longer range missiles.
No plants left for drones.
Kharg Island just sitting there without a way to actually defend itself if we decide to take it from them.

But yeah, same thing really.
They will till they run into the wrong house and now it's a national news event trying to recover their bodies without stacking more.
Threats don't work forever if you can't back them up. That's why.

And in this case, the fact that they haven't done it indicates they either can't and would have to get really lucky, or they won't because they know what would then happen.

Probably a bit of both.
They lost four soldiers to an attack by Hezbolla.
Sorry, you are catching retaliation when you initiate it.

Trump needs to acknowledge this. He also needs to stomp the IRGC into the cesspit of history once and for all. I get he wants to minimize casualties and God bless him for it, but at some point the decision has to be made. Either you're willing to lose our boys or you're not.

I think he might tac nuke them to avoid that. I honestly think that might be on the table and part of the reason for the Camp David weekend. Tactical nukes on the uranium sites till they vaporize it.
It's reality. He's doing a deal and that will happen within the parameters of....



Reality.
If he feels like he's been made a fool of, I wouldn't want to be in Iran.
Opening segments of every war always have surprises the old school did not anticipate. This is the nature of war. We've adjusted. Within a year that adjustment is going to look like a whole generational change in how we do warfighting. People are scared to death of autonomous robots/drones but that's absolutely happening and the faster we're best at it the better.
What sailors are those?

You guys always seem to have these invisible anonymous sources just when you need them saying just what you'd like them to say.

Color me not remotely impressed anymore.
Which is why we are doing it the other way.

Patience.

Let him cook.
Granted.

But it was not shut down. And the reason it was slowed was because of the insurance companies, not the realities of the straits.
Just the hint of mines made the insurance companies piss themselves but we got ships through every night for weeks when they supposedly had it shut down. If you don't have radar, or you're too scared to turn it on, turns out just cutting your running lights is sufficient because the bass boats aren't coming out looking for you for some reason.
Where are they going to build more?
Boom.
Where are they going to launch them?
Boom.
Who's going to drive them?
Boom.
How are they going to get them anywhere near a target?
Boom.
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And yet they were able to hit our 5th Fleet headquarters in Bahrain a week ago


You mean the place we evacuated everyone but about a hundred people since back before the first attack in February? Yeah that doesn't have the kind of depth of defense I'm talking about.

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Those bass boat armed wirh machine guns and rockets that everyone likes to laugh at.....some intelligence indicates they have thousands of them. Enough of them swarming kamikaze style dragging mines can do some damage...Just a few of those missles hit a desalination plant....a city in the desert loses water.


Ok Tom Clancy, riddle me this.

Why hasn't that already happened? Get creative.












Because that's bullshite. They were just in the fight of their lives from their perspective. Had they had those boats, they'd have used them. They don't have them. Remember anyone that goes out and attacks a boat with one of those is probably going to die shortly thereafter. Not everyone in the Navy is a jihadist.
I get that but I'm not talking about some timid endeavor. I'm talking bridgehead for an invasion force if need be with an air superiority zone around it. Then go full bore offensive with artillery and bombers to create a large perimeter. Large enough that if one gets across the border it won't make it to the bases because we detected it too far out. Then defend against them in depth. We have the stuff to do this.

With Kharg we'd put a bunch of destroyers and frigates and whatnot there to keep them clean. Then have shore mounted batteries to deal with anything that gets past them. Active sorties by the Navy / Air Force on the areas they fire from. Blow up anything that looks like it could house a drone.

We've got Gorgon Stare sitting there looking at every square inch of the place in extreme detail. We have AI parsing that for targets, catching movement and following it, identifying all kinds of intelligence. If they try to move any even remotely large units or assets we will know immediately and put a bomb/artillery shell/missile on them. They do not have infinite drones or launchers. Nor do they currently have an industrial capability to build many more. Taking our boot off their throat right now is with the understanding by all that actually know, that we could kill them right now and they know it. But letting them up lets the people the threat. We can work with that and it doesn't cost us as much.

Don't get me wrong, I don't want us to have to do that. But we certainly could if he chose to do it.
If they shut it down again we should take Kharg and the area around the straits. Pound everything else to sand while we send trucks of weapons in to the public. Hold the straits and Kharg and keep them till such time that an acceptable government can take custody again. You think the blockade hurt, wait till you see what happens when we take away all your remaining leverage and you can do nothing to stop it.

It would be bloody. But the end would be assured.