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re: Pruitt now recruiting guys on Alabama's team. Kirby got away with it (long post)
Posted on 5/14/18 at 12:59 pm to djsdawg
Posted on 5/14/18 at 12:59 pm to djsdawg
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Uga needed that kid much more than Bama did thanks to richt.
Uhhhh....no. The main reason Saban blocked the transfer is because he was worried about depth. Turns out he was right when Eddie Jackson went out for the season and we had other injuries. We had to completely reorganize our DB situation late in the season. Mo played a lot he just wasn't a starter. Turns out what Saban was worried about became a reality and we really needed Mo Smith
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Posted on 5/14/18 at 1:01 pm to 14&Counting
Needing a starter > needing a backup.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 1:03 pm to djsdawg
Leaving a program and playing immediately against your old team is utter nonsense...in the real world you have non compete clauses
Posted on 5/14/18 at 1:06 pm to SAINTS0321
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playing immediately against your old team is utter nonsense.
Didn’t happen.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 1:07 pm to jimdog
Posted on 5/14/18 at 1:07 pm to djsdawg
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Needing a starter > needing a backup.
Look I get it. He wanted to start.....but people on here bag on Saban for no other reason than simply playing by the rules. It was Smith and his helicopter mom (encouraged by Kirby and Tucker) that made a big deal about it. He was all set for Baylor until Briles got fired and then he wanted to renege.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 1:11 pm to 14&Counting
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Otherwise he is free to transfer outside the conference without sitting a year. He can transfer within the SEC if the coach/AD OK's it.
Shouldn't need any school's permission to go anywhere if he graduates and if the rule was challenged in court there's absolutely no way it holds up.
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was also about Kirby poaching a valuable player that we needed that year.
Nobody poached anybody.Kid graduated and wanted to go to the school and coach of his choice.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 1:21 pm to RD Dawg
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Shouldn't need any school's permission to go anywhere if he graduates and if the rule was challenged in court there's absolutely no way it holds up.
You are arguing about what you think the rule should be as opposed to what the rule is.....
I am not so sure: A kid exchanges his amateur eligibility for a scholarship and everything that entails. He has four years. So he finishes in three but his eligibility is still committed to the university. Now he can transfer without restriction or sitting a year IF the university offers his graduate degree. He can transfer within the conference IF the university offers the graduate program and IF the coach/AD approves it.
I am not seeing where the harm is being done to the student.
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Nobody poached anybody.Kid graduated and wanted to go to the school and coach of his choice.
What was wrong with Miami originally? or Baylor? or for that matter Bama? Why UGA? oh yeah, his former coaches wanted him. It was never about academics, it was about playing time pure and simple.....also I would add there was some back channel communication with Tucker and Mama which was likely a violation on UGA's part but I digress.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 1:25 pm to Sneaky__Sally
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Worth noting is that the Burrow qb LSU fans want is a grad transfer and Urban won't give clearance to another Big10 School (at least I read that). So the issue is clearly a national thing and not an SEC thing.
I found this, but it seems to contradict itself.
* I don't think Ohio State will end up blocking Burrow from anywhere though they could if they wanted to take the PR hit. But if Nebraska or another Big Ten program became an option, there's no conference rule prohibiting transfers within the league. Back in October, the Big Ten decided such a ban would no longer apply to graduates. Two years ago, quarterback Jake Rudock had to get a waiver to transfer from Iowa to Michigan. That wouldn't apply to Burrow.
On the one hand, it seems to say Urban Meyer could block Burrow, then goes on to say the rule no longer applies in the BIG 10, so who knows?
quote:I'm not sure an expert exists!
This may be why we don't see in-conference transfer examples often as most coaches won't agree to it. That is just pure speculation and i'm certainly not an expert on what all goes on in this process.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 1:30 pm to 14&Counting
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It doesn't matter when he committed he committed his amateur status to that school. I believe he can transfer without restriction if the school he attends doesn't offer he graduate studies.
You are confusing undergrad rules with Graduate Transfers. They operate under different rules.
quote:You realize that these two statements contradict each other, right?
Smith's situation was never abut school it was about playing time. It was also about Kirby poaching a valuable player that we needed that year.
besides, as you said, he was leaving Alabama either way, as he was
quote:as you stated. So, it wasn't a matter of Kirby poaching a valuable player. It was a matter of Kirby getting a player that was leaving Alabama one way or the other.
Smith did graduate and was set to go to Miami. He changed his mind and was set to go to Baylor
Posted on 5/14/18 at 1:32 pm to SAINTS0321
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Leaving a program and playing immediately against your old team is utter nonsense...in the real world you have non compete clauses
Only for executives. Not for regular folks! Do you seriously believe a stock boy at Kroger couldn't quit Kroger and stock shelves for Piggly Wiggly?
Posted on 5/14/18 at 1:46 pm to 14&Counting
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wrong with Miami originally? or Baylor? or for that matter Bama? Why UGA? oh yeah, his former coaches wanted him. It was never about academics, it was about playing time pure and simple.....also I would add there was some back channel communication with Tucker and Mama which was likely a violation on UGA's part but I digress.
You are asking what the problem was with Baylor?
Problem with Miami is acc and richt.
The exact grad degree program also differs from place to place. That’s why grads are allowed to transfer as they do.
If mama or player calls a coach, I doubt it’s a violation.
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Posted on 5/14/18 at 1:48 pm to 14&Counting
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You are arguing about what you think the rule should be as opposed to what the rule is.....
I am not so sure: A kid exchanges his amateur eligibility for a scholarship and everything that entails. He has four years. So he finishes in three but his eligibility is still committed to the university. Now he can transfer without restriction or sitting a year IF the university offers his graduate degree. He can transfer within the conference IF the university offers the graduate program and IF the coach/AD approves it.
No, you are wrong. A simple Google/Bing will tell you this.
If a player graduates with college eligibility remaining, they can play elsewhere right away. (That’s as long as they’ve still got time left on their five-year clock.
Here is a good article explaining it
It clearly says that if a player graduates from his college he can play elsewhere immediately. The SEC, (and possibly the B10, apparently) adopted a rule on their own saying a player cannot graduate then play for another SEC school, without getting a waiver. The SEC office gave Mo Smith the waiver and reluctantly, so did Saban.
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What was wrong with Miami originally? or Baylor?
Dude. Your response tells you, that you realize he was leaving Bama one way or the other. You ask why not Miami or Baylor? Well, why not Georgia? He had more ties to Georgia than Miami or Baylor.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 2:01 pm to Sneaky__Sally
quote:Yep, bad optics forced them to waive the rule. Smith's parents weren't going to just let it rest. In the player got what he wanted, and I'm sure he's happy with his decision & the got a degree to boot. So good for him.
Smith was in line to be a solid contributor on the defense before he left, not some bench warmer - and Alabama's dbs did quite well in the draft so there is some merit to that commentary even though it is likely just meant to rile you up.
The whole situation was dragged around in the media and they had to waive a standing rule to allow it to happen. Its pretty easy to see how players jumping to another team in the same conference like that can potentially get ugly moving forward.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 3:09 pm to jimdog
What the crap is all this?
Learn to edit . . . You could have said all that one concise paragraph.
Learn to edit . . . You could have said all that one concise paragraph.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 3:16 pm to RT1941
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Yep, bad optics forced them to waive the rule.
No doubt. There was outside pressures on Alabama put there by the SEC office, and I suspect pushed by Kirby.
The SEC office should not be putting pressure or getting involved by making comments and giving opinions. They should make the ruling (Release Smith) then back away and let Saban make his decision.
That said, I doubt Kirby did anything that Saban wouldn't have done if the roles were reversed....but that is speculation on my part.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 3:33 pm to 14&Counting
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You are arguing about what you think the rule should be as opposed to what the rule is.....
Sure but the rule is idiotic and wouldn't stand if tested in any courtroom.
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He has four years.
On scholarship???No he doesn't,each scholarship is a ONE YEAR contract and if a kid doesn't produce he can get processed or have a thumbnail and get a medical dq.Believe me,Saban and Bama are experts at this.
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he finishes in three but his eligibility is still committed to the university.
NO, he's not committed to ANYTHING after he graduates.
Good God,where exactly did you get this?
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also I would add there was some back channel communication with Tucker and Mama
Please provide link.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 4:00 pm to coachcrisp
Ed Zackery...it was all about going to court and the useless yankee the SEC hired didn't want that to happen.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 4:06 pm to jimdog
Saban has cheated since he was at Michigan State, so frick off crybaby.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 4:43 pm to DawgsLife
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If a player graduates with college eligibility remaining, they can play elsewhere right away. (That’s as long as they’ve still got time left on their five-year clock.
That is what I said in my earlier post nitwit.
This post was edited on 5/14/18 at 4:58 pm
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