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re: Projected S&P+ Rankings (all 130 teams)

Posted on 2/9/18 at 10:06 am to
Posted by mizslu314
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Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 2/9/18 at 10:06 am to
I dont, at all. After next year though, we fricked for a bit.

I actually think we'll be pretty darn good next year. Ive said all along either 2nd or 3rd.
Posted by Cocotheape
Member since Aug 2015
3782 posts
Posted on 2/9/18 at 10:06 am to
Rounding, Alabama ever so slightly lower than tOSU
Posted by madmaxvol
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Posted on 2/9/18 at 10:16 am to
quote:

WEST
2. Alabama
5. Auburn
14. Mississippi St
16. LSU
24. Texas A&M
25. Ole Miss
52. Arkansas

EAST
6. Georgia
30. Missouri
32. Florida
35. South Carolina
64. Kentucky
75. Vanderbilt
79. Tennessee



2017 S&P + Projections and Final AP Rank (with record) at end of season

WEST
1. Alabama - 1 (13-1)
4. LSU - 18 (9-4)
8. Auburn - 10 (10-4)
22. aTm - NR (7-6)
23. Ole Miss -NR (6-6)
29. Arkansas - NR (4-8)
33. MSU - 19 (9-4)



EAST
15. Florida - NR (4-7)
21. Georgia - 2 (13-2)
25. Tennessee - NR (4-8)
39. USCe - NR (9-4)
45. Kentucky - NR (7-6)
47. Missouri - NR (7-6)
58. Vanderbilt - NR (5-7)

LINK

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Posted by Farmer1906
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Apr 2009
50349 posts
Posted on 2/9/18 at 10:19 am to
quote:

As to ditching permanent rivals, A&M may have been willing to ditch the Texas rivalry, but DSOR and TSIO aren't getting dropped...


Move Bama to the east. It'll help balance things and they keep that UT game. They've given up the Iron Bowl before so no reason to not give it again if it helps the conference as a whole.
Posted by TonyMontana
Member since Jul 2017
1169 posts
Posted on 2/9/18 at 10:30 am to
Get your crap together Arkansas!
Posted by JamalSanders
On a boat
Member since Jul 2015
12135 posts
Posted on 2/9/18 at 10:31 am to
quote:

've been a proponent for the Roommate Switch approach for a long time now...


That's awful. Year 1 Tennessee plays 4 other big 6 members while Auburn and Alabama play 3. Year 2 Auburn plays ALL 5 other big 6 members.

Awful idea.
Posted by joshua2571
Member since Nov 2015
8137 posts
Posted on 2/9/18 at 10:36 am to
Looks decent. I might move Texas A&M ahead of LSU. Move Missouri below Kentucky.
Posted by madmaxvol
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Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 2/9/18 at 10:39 am to
quote:

If you go to 9 with no perm then in a player's 4-year career they will play everyone once and 6 out of 8 twice.



I used to be opposed to dropping cross-division rivalries...but, since we became a basketball school I don't give a crap. Dump TSIO and Auburn/Georgia. Football season is just something to pass the time till basketball season comes around...(Kentucky fans...am I doing this right)?
Posted by Prof
Member since Jun 2013
42621 posts
Posted on 2/9/18 at 10:40 am to
quote:

That's awful. Year 1 Tennessee plays 4 other big 6 members while Auburn and Alabama play 3. Year 2 Auburn plays ALL 5 other big 6 members.



We play: Alabama, Auburn, Florida and Georgia next season. We played Alabama, Florida, Georgia, and LSU last season. I wouldn't mind some of y'all getting a taste of that but yeah I agree with your point.
Posted by BurgTiger
Member since Feb 2014
2766 posts
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:28 am to
We have a 12 win season and an 11 win season and are .500 against the West, are 2-1 vs A&M since joining and somehow Missouri is reason you think the divisions are imbalance?

What a freaking joke.
Posted by SheaForHeisman
Oxford, MS
Member since Aug 2017
762 posts
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:30 am to
Ole Miss at #25?


Posted by MSUcoast
Gulfport, MS
Member since Oct 2014
637 posts
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:33 am to
quote:

14. Mississippi St

quote:

32. Florida


bu bu but Merlins and all that talent...
Posted by GameCocky88
Mount Pleasant, SC
Member since Dec 2015
4837 posts
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:51 am to
The real shite of it is, even after the season was done there were plenty of teams with worse records including ones that we beat that were rated higher on this scale
Posted by fibonaccisquared
The mystical waters of the Hooch
Member since Dec 2011
16898 posts
Posted on 2/9/18 at 1:58 pm to
quote:

That's awful. Year 1 Tennessee plays 4 other big 6 members while Auburn and Alabama play 3. Year 2 Auburn plays ALL 5 other big 6 members.

Awful idea.



Did you read it at all or just look at the pretty pictures?

quote:

You might prefer to group the teams/pods differently, producing a slightly different schedule for your team. That is fine, these groupings are just one example of what is possible.

The important thing here is just to demonstrate the concept works!
We have all of the following:

Major rivalries are played annually,
Rotate through the whole conference every two years,
Two Divisions with full round-robin play every year,
In an 8 or 9 game schedule..


The concept works... could easily add a component where the pods are able to be reshuffled every 4 years (see B1G and their "semi-permanent" opposite division opponents).
Posted by fibonaccisquared
The mystical waters of the Hooch
Member since Dec 2011
16898 posts
Posted on 2/9/18 at 2:11 pm to
quote:

The real shite of it is, even after the season was done there were plenty of teams with worse records including ones that we beat that were rated higher on this scale


Just because people don't understand what the rankings are doesn't make them invalid... it's a tool, based on a mathematical formula to take a *one game* matchup and try to predict an outcome... it's doesn't really account directly for W/L throughout the season, nor is it predictive of where a team should definitively end up as it doesn't account for upcoming schedule. It's imperfect because no one has a crystal ball, but on the whole, I think they ended up something like 53-54 ATS last season, and of course better straight up.

Hell... don't listen to me, listen to the guy that created it:
LINK

It's not intended as some snub to teams... in fact, he makes no bones that often times his metrics "like" some teams more than he thinks it should (mid majors in 2017 for example, and also Missouri) and other times it "dislikes" teams that he probably would say belong higher...
Posted by DallasTiger45
Member since May 2012
8428 posts
Posted on 2/9/18 at 2:30 pm to
South Carolina went 6-1 in one score games and had a mediocre yards per play differential. S&P and probably the vast majority of algorithms designed to power rate teams thought they were a weak 9-4 team. I agree with the rating systems.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
The mystical waters of the Hooch
Member since Dec 2011
16898 posts
Posted on 2/9/18 at 2:50 pm to
quote:

South Carolina went 6-1 in one score games and had a mediocre yards per play differential. S&P and probably the vast majority of algorithms designed to power rate teams thought they were a weak 9-4 team. I agree with the rating systems.


If anything, it's a compliment that a rating system like this projects you lower and you outperform it... it means that you defied the odds... you won matchups that from a strictly numbers standpoint, you would be "expected" to lose... These things aren't the gospel by any means... simply an evaluation of production on the field relative to other teams...
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