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re: Pac-12 update: Coaches and ADs got “eye opening” medical perspective expressing concern
Posted on 8/11/20 at 9:49 am to paperwasp
Posted on 8/11/20 at 9:49 am to paperwasp
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Legit concern or Don Quixote tilting at windmills?
Probably a bit of both, honestly.
Most football players are top-tier athletes and are way healthier than most people. Presuming that the amount of damage is normal with other viral infections, they're better off than most of us. The flip side is that if it turns out to be way more severe, then the constant aerobic activity could trigger things that most of us never encounter.
Personally, I'm thinking they'll be okay - but we should realize if just one person dies from it, or is severely hospitalized from it, that'll be it. They won't take the chance, because even if they sign a waiver nothing will stop a massive legal onslaught if a kid dies from it.
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Posted on 8/11/20 at 9:51 am to paperwasp
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The condition is usually caused by a viral infection, including those that cause the common cold, H1N1 influenza or mononucleosis. Left undiagnosed and untreated, it can cause heart damage and sudden cardiac arrest, which can be fatal. It is a rare condition, but the COVID-19 virus has been linked with myocarditis with a higher frequency than other viruses, based on limited studies and anecdotal evidence since the start of the pandemic.
This is from the ESPN story on Myocarditis.
Posted on 8/11/20 at 9:57 am to paperwasp
This shite is so predictable.
Posted on 8/11/20 at 9:57 am to tigerfan88
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CTE is worse than contagious. You get it from the very act of playing football
He knows that. You can look up death rates from playing football with a simple google search and some of them factor in long term effects from playing. I do love that other people get to arbitrarily decide our risk tolerance now.
Posted on 8/11/20 at 9:57 am to skrayper
The same article being sent around includes the doctor saying you can easily test for myocarditis.
But that hasn’t been included in any of the headlines
But that hasn’t been included in any of the headlines
Posted on 8/11/20 at 10:02 am to wutangfinancial
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You can look up death rates from playing football
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Since 2000, 33 National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) football players have died in sport: 27 nontraumatic deaths and 6 traumatic deaths, a ratio of 4.5 nontraumatic deaths for every traumatic death. On average, 2 NCAA football players die per season.
Journal of Athletic Training
Posted on 8/11/20 at 10:03 am to paperwasp
Why is everyone pretending that this is the first time we have discovered the connection between certain viruses and myocarditis? We have known this from the beginning, even with Covid-19.
These blue-check doctors are so attention-drunk from scaring people and dictating policy that they just cannot stop.
These blue-check doctors are so attention-drunk from scaring people and dictating policy that they just cannot stop.
This post was edited on 8/11/20 at 10:04 am
Posted on 8/11/20 at 10:20 am to Eat Your Crow
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This is a 100% fear mongering from people with an agenda.
no that can't be because all the resident liberals tell us we're stupid for believing espn doesn't want to have football because of the money!
Posted on 8/11/20 at 10:20 am to paperwasp
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@MattRheaPhD
Now all of a sudden myocarditis is an “unknown” possibility? I eluded to it in a paper I published in 2009 about sudden cardiac death among athletes. It happens after most infections. We watch for warning signs all the time. Screening now is very good. Nothing new here.
Posted on 8/11/20 at 10:24 am to paperwasp
Nobody here cares about the players. Just need muh footballll.
Posted on 8/11/20 at 10:28 am to paperwasp
PussiesAndCucks 12
Posted on 8/11/20 at 10:33 am to paperwasp
Screw Left coast liberals pac-12 is barely a power 5 conference anymore
Posted on 8/11/20 at 10:34 am to Indefatigable
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Why is everyone pretending that this is the first time we have discovered the connection between certain viruses and myocarditis?
In other words, every single viral illness known to man has rare, devastating complications.
Does the question then become, should public policy therefore focus on stopping the transmission of all cases, or on rationally protecting the people who are most at risk of these rare complications?
Posted on 8/11/20 at 10:35 am to Indefatigable
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Why is everyone pretending that this is the first time we have discovered the connection between certain viruses and myocarditis? We have known this from the beginning, even with Covid-19.
These blue-check doctors are so attention-drunk from scaring people and dictating policy that they just cannot stop.
because the left prey on the low information people out their, their voters, and introduce something like this as something new to spread fear to shut something down they don't believe in or want knowing those people will just believe any bullshite that is spoon fed them and will not do any research on their own...
Posted on 8/11/20 at 10:44 am to LSURulzSEC
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because the left prey on the low information people out their, their voters, and introduce something like this as something new to spread fear to shut something down they don't believe in or want knowing those people will just believe any bull shite that is spoon fed them and will not do any research on their own...
You just described both sides of the spectrum. Stop pretending the Right isn't just as guilty as the Left for this.
Posted on 8/11/20 at 10:44 am to Dennis4LSU
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Screw Left coast liberals
Science and medicine is for libruls.
Posted on 8/11/20 at 10:44 am to paperwasp
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Ross Dellenger
@RossDellenger
Talked to an AD yesterday about the differing opinions of doctors, re the virus:
"I can find one cardiologist that says, I don’t think it’s safe to play."
"I can find another who says, if you do these things, you can play."
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Dan Wolken
@DanWolken
If the conclusion of the Pac 12 and Big Ten medical experts is to shut down and the conclusion of the SEC and Big 12 medical experts is to keep going people better be willing to talk about it in detail and on the record
10:40 AM · Aug 11, 2020
Posted on 8/11/20 at 10:47 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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based on limited studies and anecdotal evidence
The heart is a muscle and can get inflamed for any number of reasons. Of course there is a chance of myocarditis, but this could be caused by the flu or any other virus. We live with this threat on a daily basis. They act as COVID-19 is the only thing that can cause this, literally, this can be caused by drug or a virus or any number of factors. We do not see a rash of 20 something people who have contracted COVID-19 have inflamed hearts.
I mean I have been in literally countless meetings with virologist since this started and it amazes me how many want to be the one to give the definitive diagnosis. Their exuberance to understand and explain what they found about the virus outweighs their knowledge of the actual virus. I have come to realize so much of it is actual conjecture based on a few results.
Every time there is a prediction it is the most dire, most horrible prediction about COVID-19. It is not just football, they make policy based on their dire predictions with little regard for the unforeseen results of those decisions. I can imagine these Pac-12 laypeople sitting a meeting talking about all the dire issues football players can have. Everyone of these doctors are trained to talk in authoritative, confident manner regardless of their actual knowledge. I see it almost everyday, they can be persuasive until you start asking some basic questions.
This post was edited on 8/11/20 at 10:53 am
Posted on 8/11/20 at 10:50 am to FreddieMac
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We live with this threat on a daily basis.
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Cecil Hurt
@CecilHurt
Sometimes people (or conferences) know the outcome they have wanted all along and just need to find a way to sell it. This risk is not a new discovery.
10:34 AM · Aug 11, 2020
Posted on 8/11/20 at 10:52 am to paperwasp
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Legit concern or Don Quixote tilting at windmills?
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