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re: “Outbreak occurred mainly among vaccinated athletes”
Posted on 12/22/21 at 3:56 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 12/22/21 at 3:56 pm to lsupride87
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If you test positive, but have zero symptoms, I’d say that is the vaccine working 100%. No vaccine or medicine in history is a forcefield that prevents a virus from entering your body
By that definition, I must have have measles, mumps, and rubella 28 or more times then.
I think you are missing a key point here. Entering vs. infecting. Yes, the virus can enter your body, but does it infect the cells, replicate, and shed to infect others? Nope. Not with a proper vaccine. Otherwise there would be "outbreaks" of measles, mumps, and rubella. Oh, a polio too, amongst a host of others.
But with these so called mRNA COV2 vaccines, yes, you can get infected, the virus will replicate for a bit, and you CAN infect others (obviously). If you call that working, then ok, chief. You do you and keep on believing that shite.
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Posted on 12/22/21 at 3:59 pm to miracleman
quote:How would you know? Did we test asymptomatic people or people with very little symptoms after those vaccinations? frick no we didn’t
By that definition, I must have have measles, mumps, and rubella 28 or more times then.
I think you are missing a key point here. Entering vs. infecting. Yes, the virus can enter your body, but does it infect the cells, replicate, and shed to infect others? Nope. Not with a proper vaccine. Otherwise there would be "outbreaks" of measles, mumps, and rubella. Oh, a polio too, amongst a host of others.
The only people that got diagnosed with polio or MMR was those sick enough needing hospitalization. Not a single person got a polio test for the sniffles or even less having no symptoms at all
If you test positive for covid, all that means is the virus entered your body. If you have zero symptoms the vaccine is working just as well as any vaccine ever created
If you judged the covid vaccine like those others you listed, you would only consider a breakthrough case a hospitalization. And if you did that, covid would basically have disappeared just like polio and others
This post was edited on 12/22/21 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 12/22/21 at 4:01 pm to Floki
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My natural immunity is 100x better
Bwahahahaaa! Can you show us the data you used to arrive at that number, in your anecdotal study group of ONE?
Clown statement.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 4:01 pm to lsupride87
It's like you people don't even know what the word "novel virus" means LOL.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 4:03 pm to TailbackU
Many athletes took the Johnson and Johnson single dose vaccine and never followed up with boosters. J&J was proved to be not as effective from the start at stopping people from getting Covid-19 but still prevented serious illnesses.
It has been established by anyone listening that it would not prevent getting the Covid and surely not the newest variant.
Glossed over media stuff is BS too. People that use this say vaccines dont' work don't have any idea how vaccines even work.
It takes a series of 4 shots for Polio vaccine, and small pox? 2 shots separated by 4 weeks and every 3 years after that if you go where it's still active.
Covid Vaccines are no different. It does not last forever and with the new strains it certainly won't keep working forever either but as most strains come along they will naturally become less deadly so vaccinations will become less and less a need for everyone.
The flu vaccine is an every year thing and lots of people take them but they only range in effectiveness from 40-70% in a given year. Some won't take it but to say they don't help is a lie.
It has been established by anyone listening that it would not prevent getting the Covid and surely not the newest variant.
Glossed over media stuff is BS too. People that use this say vaccines dont' work don't have any idea how vaccines even work.
It takes a series of 4 shots for Polio vaccine, and small pox? 2 shots separated by 4 weeks and every 3 years after that if you go where it's still active.
Covid Vaccines are no different. It does not last forever and with the new strains it certainly won't keep working forever either but as most strains come along they will naturally become less deadly so vaccinations will become less and less a need for everyone.
The flu vaccine is an every year thing and lots of people take them but they only range in effectiveness from 40-70% in a given year. Some won't take it but to say they don't help is a lie.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 4:04 pm to HotRock
exactly. If they had gotten their Moderna booster in November like they were SUPPOSSED to this wouldnt be happening.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 4:05 pm to HotRock
If those idiots could read they might learn something from you
Can’t be having that
Can’t be having that
Posted on 12/22/21 at 4:06 pm to TailbackU
Vaccinated populations have shown that it can spread whether a person is vaxd or not. However the vast majority of hospitalizations are u vaxd.
And that's why this is a personal choice that shouldn't be mandated...
And that's why this is a personal choice that shouldn't be mandated...
Posted on 12/22/21 at 4:07 pm to StopRobot
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Seriously though, frick anyone who refuses to get a vaccine because they listen to Aunt Trudy on Facebook, Fox News and Joe Rogan
Or paid attention in basic biology when they taught how these things work to begin with.
Why is my vaccination status so important to you?
Posted on 12/22/21 at 4:07 pm to lsupride87
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How would you know? Did we test asymptomatic people or people with very little symptoms after those vaccinations? frick no we didn’t
No, but the scientific studies that the FDA required proved that out. But by all means, don't take my word for it. Read up on it.
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If you test positive for covid, all that means is the virus entered your body. If you have zero symptoms the vaccine is working just as well as any vaccine ever created
Incorrect. Again, read up on it. You high school biology book has this information.
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If you judged the covid vaccine like those others you listed, you would only consider a breakthrough case a hospitalization. And if you did that, covid would basically have disappeared just like polio and others
No. And infection is an infection. Why is hospitalization a requirement here chief? I had COVID, Meaning I was infected and I got sick. It took me 10 days to get over it. But I didn't go to the hospital. So by your definition, I really didn't have COVID? Did I even need a vaccine to experience that non infection. Come on dude... go read.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 4:09 pm to HotRock
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Many athletes took the Johnson and Johnson single dose vaccine and never followed up with boosters. J&J was proved to be not as effective from the start at stopping people from getting Covid-19 but still prevented serious illnesses.
It has been established by anyone listening that it would not prevent getting the Covid and surely not the newest variant.
Glossed over media stuff is BS too. People that use this say vaccines dont' work don't have any idea how vaccines even work.
It takes a series of 4 shots for Polio vaccine, and small pox? 2 shots separated by 4 weeks and every 3 years after that if you go where it's still active.
Covid Vaccines are no different. It does not last forever and with the new strains it certainly won't keep working forever either but as most strains come along they will naturally become less deadly so vaccinations will become less and less a need for everyone.
The flu vaccine is an every year thing and lots of people take them but they only range in effectiveness from 40-70% in a given year. Some won't take it but to say they don't help is a lie.
There is a lot of knowledge in that post.
This post was edited on 12/22/21 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 12/22/21 at 4:10 pm to HotRock
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Many athletes took the Johnson and Johnson single dose vaccine and never followed up with boosters. J&J was proved to be not as effective from the start at stopping people from getting Covid-19 but still prevented serious illnesses.
It has been established by anyone listening that it would not prevent getting the Covid and surely not the newest variant.
Glossed over media stuff is BS too. People that use this say vaccines dont' work don't have any idea how vaccines even work.
It takes a series of 4 shots for Polio vaccine, and small pox? 2 shots separated by 4 weeks and every 3 years after that if you go where it's still active.
Covid Vaccines are no different. It does not last forever and with the new strains it certainly won't keep working forever either but as most strains come along they will naturally become less deadly so vaccinations will become less and less a need for everyone.
The flu vaccine is an every year thing and lots of people take them but they only range in effectiveness from 40-70% in a given year. Some won't take it but to say they don't help is a lie.
Where did you get the medical information on all these athletes?
Because it sounds to me like you've made some shite up to make excuses since giving out that information would likely be a violation of HIPPA.
But lets recap the excuses.
1. You claim they took the weakest of the vaccines.
2. You claim they didn't take their boosters, which means they weren't fully vaccinated.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 4:11 pm to TRUERockyTop
Fauci and Collins lied from the start.......
Time for accountability for those two
Time for accountability for those two
Posted on 12/22/21 at 4:11 pm to Slackaveli
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exactly. If they had gotten their Moderna booster in November like they were SUPPOSSED to this wouldnt be happening.
How do you know their vaccination status? Or are you just making it up because it suits you?
Posted on 12/22/21 at 4:13 pm to miracleman
quote:No, what I am saying is if this was polio in 1955, you would have never known you had polio because it wouldn’t have counted as a case
Why is hospitalization a requirement here chief? I had COVID, Meaning I was infected and I got sick. It took me 10 days to get over it. But I didn't go to the hospital. So by your definition, I really didn't have COVID?
You would have just been “under the weather” for a few days
The covid vaccine is being judged on a completely different planet than all other vaccines
If the virus enters your body, and you don’t get very sick, the vaccine is a success. It’s simple as that
This post was edited on 12/22/21 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 12/22/21 at 4:13 pm to CNB
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If those idiots could read they might learn something from you
Can’t be having that
I'd be more than happy to read where he got his information to know the vaccination status of these people.
Oh wait, he made the shite up. But it suits your purpose, so you blindly accepted it(what a shock).
And yet, you call everyone else idiots.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 4:14 pm to miracleman
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These so called mRNA vaccines can NEVER duplicate that.
Your body is great but people are dying while their bodies figures it out. I lost a good friend yesterday. She was not vaxxed. She was a beautiful healthy 50 year old that believed just like you.
If you are vaccinated and you get the virus your body has a a head start to fight it off and still develops it's natural immunities.
The people with best defense to all variants are people that have had Covid and then get vaccinated. You were shown a link in this thread.
Follow the $$$$ Vaccine = $20 a person Anti-body treatment = $1500 to 1800 per dose and some take multiple doses. Hospital stay can run into the $1000's and very few vaxxed every get hospitalized
If for nothing other than $$$ you should get the vaccine.
But don't trust me, go see a real infectious disease doctor and get off the internet for medical advice.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 4:14 pm to 3down10
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Where did you get the medical information on all these athletes?
Because it sounds to me like you've made some shite up to make excuses since giving out that information would likely be a violation of HIPPA.
But lets recap the excuses.
1. You claim they took the weakest of the vaccines.
2. You claim they didn't take their boosters, which means they weren't fully vaccinated.
It also isn't far fetched. Think about the vaccine narratives back in the spring and summer of '21. It would be interesting to look at the data but I bet young athletes were more likely to take the J&J shot than older Americans. Simply on the info being spewed at the time.
Even if they took the MRNA vaccines he could have said..."to anyone listening they've been telling you for months that after 6 months the ability to prevent catching covid wanes every day till its basically non existent." If they took the shots in the summer they'd be in the same boat.
FYI we are about to find out the booster also wanes. Israel is much smarter than we are and they are already in the process of authorizing a 4th shot.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 4:16 pm to RTRinTampa
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If you're scared, stay the frick home and let the rest of us go on with BEING PLAGUE-RATS SPREADING IT TO THE PEOPLE WHO WILL DIE
FIFY, plague-rat
Posted on 12/22/21 at 4:18 pm to 3down10
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Oh wait, he made the shite up.
This is a message board. That's abut 90% of the post and probably 99% of the antivax nonsense spewed on this board.
I agree he doesn't know the status of the players. However we do know only 29% of people fully vaccinated got a booster. We also know that number skews older. So it isn't crazy to assume if they got a MRNA vaccine or the J&J shot that they aren't boosted. It's just deductive reasoning. The problem with the world now is there is truth and the other version of info people accept as truth. Understanding truth is required to deductively reason.
This post was edited on 12/22/21 at 4:20 pm
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