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re: “Outbreak occurred mainly among vaccinated athletes”
Posted on 12/22/21 at 5:04 pm to Tigerman97
Posted on 12/22/21 at 5:04 pm to Tigerman97
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You just don't get it. I realize that by now. However, I am thankful you are vaxxed even though I don't know you.
A man who can't swim comes to a river and needs to cross it. He reads a sign that says the average depth of the river is 1 foot.
He drowns.
That is basically what using those stats over the individual cases is doing. It's bullshite.
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Posted on 12/22/21 at 5:17 pm to HotRock
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Many athletes took the Johnson and Johnson single dose vaccine and never followed up with boosters. J&J was proved to be not as effective from the start at stopping people from getting Covid-19 but still prevented serious illnesses.
It has been established by anyone listening that it would not prevent getting the Covid and surely not the newest variant.
Glossed over media stuff is BS too. People that use this say vaccines dont' work don't have any idea how vaccines even work.
It takes a series of 4 shots for Polio vaccine, and small pox? 2 shots separated by 4 weeks and every 3 years after that if you go where it's still active.
Covid Vaccines are no different. It does not last forever and with the new strains it certainly won't keep working forever either but as most strains come along they will naturally become less deadly so vaccinations will become less and less a need for everyone.
The flu vaccine is an every year thing and lots of people take them but they only range in effectiveness from 40-70% in a given year. Some won't take it but to say they don't help is a lie.
Not sure about athletes and Johnson and Johnson vaccine numbers, but many college football players had Wuhan back in summer and fall of 2020. Some players of SEC teams seemed to “unofficially” try to pass it around before season started even though the 90 day limit on them avoiding quarantine for close contact still in effect ended up coming into play.
Outside of false positives or tests still using too high of a cycle threshold back then (picking up non-replicating fragments) the Johnson and Johnson should have served as a booster for any prior positives.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 5:30 pm to BluegrassBelle
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It’s working as it should (if you’re not getting your info from MSM)
You and the rest of the sheep now parroting this talking point are literally no different than “MSM”
The post as the bottom of page 1 succinctly and thoroughly explains why if you’re still confused.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 5:31 pm to miracleman
quote:Explain to me how a test differentiated between infection vs the virus being in your body?
There we go with that enters vs. infected thing again.
It doesn’t. That’s why asymptomatic people test positive so often with covid
Hell, people months post covid infection still test positive due to the test picking up dead virus
quote:Explain how a nasal swap shows whether or not one was “infected” based on your theory? And how covid vaccine is any different than the polio vaccine
Damn you LSU tards are crayon eating window lickers. Pick up your high school biology book and read what it has to say about this stuff! There isn't anything new about this. A virus is gonna virus and they ALL do it the same way. You are either INFECTED or you are NOT! This so called vaccine does NOT prevent infection
Can’t wait to hear this
This post was edited on 12/22/21 at 5:32 pm
Posted on 12/22/21 at 5:31 pm to Slackaveli
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Natural immunity wanes, too. God damn , people, this shite isnt that confusing. You just WANT TO BELIEVE untruths.
This isn't really accurate or being put in the right context.
If a person has already beat it once naturally, they aren't really at a risk of dying. Further, while the body may not have active antibodies in their system, they do retain the memory of what is needed to be produced, and would produce a response much faster than the first time.
The majority of the population already had a high immunity.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 5:33 pm to lsupride87
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It doesn’t. That’s why asymptomatic people test positive so often with covid
A virus does not produce symptoms, your bodies response to it does. It varies from person to person and a lack of symptoms doesn't mean a lack of infection.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 5:33 pm to Open Your Eyes
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You and the rest of the sheep now parroting this talking point are literally no different than “MSM”
Having a basic understanding of how vaccines work and that they’re not all sterilizing doesn’t make someone sheep.
Keep skyscreaming though.
This post was edited on 12/22/21 at 5:34 pm
Posted on 12/22/21 at 5:34 pm to Ross
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now that you are far less likely to get significantly ill if you've been vaccinated
This is also untrue.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 5:35 pm to 3down10
quote:No vaccine ever created prevents “infection” using the parameters we use for covid with the nasal swab
A virus does not produce symptoms, your bodies response to it does. It varies from person to person and a lack of symptoms doesn't mean a lack of infection.
That’s the entire point. Covid swaps can and do pick up virus DNA for months after someone was sick
Posted on 12/22/21 at 5:43 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Having a basic understanding of how vaccines work and that they’re not all sterilizing doesn’t make someone sheep.
Purposefully trying to ignore the part about the post at the bottom of page 1 that proves it isn’t “MSM” that’s responsible for the belief that vaccines prevent infection does though.
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Keep skyscreaming though.
Keep posting stupid shite that’s not based in fact, sheep.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 5:43 pm to lsupride87
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No vaccine ever created prevents “infection” using the parameters we use for covid with the nasal swab
That’s the entire point. Covid swaps can and do pick up virus DNA for months after someone was sick
Yes I agree that they do not prevent infections, however in order for it to register on the test, I believe it has to have multiplied in your body to a certain degree.
And I'm not sure, but I don't think the DNA is around long enough to cause positive cases after being sick. Otherwise people would test positive a week after, and that doesn't happen.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 5:47 pm to 3down10
quote:Um, people test positive for months sometimes after being sick
Otherwise people would test positive a week after, and that doesn't happen.
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Reverse transcriptase-quantitative polymerase chain reaction (RT-qPCR) is the primary method used to diagnose SARS-CoV-2 infection and many other viruses. The test works by creating copies of viral genetic material in respiratory samples over many cycles. A single copy of viral RNA can be amplified to more than 2 trillion copies during a typical 40-cycle testing protocol. Amplification of genomic sequence is measured in cycle thresholds (Ct) and the Ct values correlate with whether a sample contains infectious virus particles. If the viral RNA is detected after just a few amplification cycles (i.e. at a low Ct value), that means high RNA levels are present and thus more viable virus; however, because this test is designed to be a sensitive diagnostic tool (not for monitoring disease progression), a very high Ct value (low RNA level) is set as a positive range cutoff. This means that very low levels of the RNA or viral genomic fragments can test “positive” for months after the acute infection but are not associated with live virus. This detection issue is common for other RNA viruses.
This post was edited on 12/22/21 at 5:53 pm
Posted on 12/22/21 at 5:54 pm to StopRobot
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then the majority of those who get COVID will be vaccinated.
So what exactly are you claiming that they are “vaccinated” against?
Common sense?
Posted on 12/22/21 at 5:56 pm to jimmy the leg
quote:A vaccine is something that helps your body create an immune response once a virus is introduced
So what exactly are you claiming that they are “vaccinated” against?
The higher the vaccinated percentage is, the more that means vaccinated people will be introduced to the virus
This isn’t difficult
Posted on 12/22/21 at 5:57 pm to lsupride87
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Um, people test positive for months sometimes after being sick
I don't know, but they test out of it to be eligible for things, so it must not be a very common thing.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 5:58 pm to 3down10
quote:Its pretty common
I don't know, but they test out of it to be eligible for things, so it must not be a very common thing.
It’s why every league has a maximum day quarentine usually at 5 or 10 days. Because of it was a “negative test” you would have multiple people out there entire season
Posted on 12/22/21 at 5:58 pm to TailbackU
I would bet 99% are vaccinated, so stands to reason that 10% breakthrough would yield more cases than 100% infection of the unvaccinated.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 5:58 pm to jthomas666
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That was ALWAYS the narrative with the vaccine--when they started their research, they specifically said the goal was to mitigate the effects. They chose that route so that they could develop a vaccine faster.
This is revisionist history when it pertains to the messaging behind the vaccine. It was presented as a method to end COVID with only a few expected breakthrough cases. There was speculation on behalf of people like me that the fact that we needed two doses of the vaccine indicated the immune response waned and we would need frequent boosters, but it was almost like public health officials were afraid to even acknowledge that reality early on, even when the vaccine cards I received had additional slots past the first two, presumably for boosters
Frankly, my trust in a discussion bearing fruit diminishes when history is revised but I’ll assume you are speaking strictly on behalf of researchers are not public health officials.
But again, let’s take the current accepted stance that the vaccine is a personal choice and getting the vaccine greatly diminishes a chance of symptomatic illness. Why then, would any public health measures required at this point? Is not the emergency behind us?
Posted on 12/22/21 at 6:07 pm to TailbackU
This stuff has just gotten so ridiculous that it's comical.
All this for the "safety" of student athletes that basically have 0 risks. Treat it like the cold it is (Omicron) and move on.
Certain political characters have a vested interest to keep this crap going. F 'em.
All this for the "safety" of student athletes that basically have 0 risks. Treat it like the cold it is (Omicron) and move on.
Certain political characters have a vested interest to keep this crap going. F 'em.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 6:09 pm to Chad4Bama
Somebody stop this clown world. I want off.
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