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Posted on 12/21/10 at 4:30 pm to Ross
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I mean, take most contemporary SOS measurements, Auburn is top 5, Oregon is somewhere in the 70s.
But, but, but...the Sagarin rankings...
Posted on 12/21/10 at 4:30 pm to NawlinsTigah270
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Still a good ways behind
exactly
Posted on 12/21/10 at 4:31 pm to NawlinsTigah270
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how close does that put them?
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SEC 226-50
Big 12 198-74
Big East 162-61
Pac-10 113-65
ACC 113-86
Pac-10 has a .629 OOC record through that stretch. Assuming they played 50 games more with the same record, they would still come out to a record of 145-83.
STILL... NOT EVEN CLOSE
This post was edited on 12/21/10 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 12/21/10 at 4:35 pm to oklahogjr
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lets say they win all 50 of those games.....how close does that put them to the SEC in wins?
They still have played 40 some odd games less if you count that. Less teams, less OOC games. Doesn't matter, can't exactly compare.
Posted on 12/21/10 at 4:37 pm to LSUintheNW
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They still have played 40 some odd games less if you count that. Less teams, less OOC games. Doesn't matter, can't exactly compare.
i'll give them all 48 games i didn't count either, now tell me if they get an extra 98 wins and don't lose a game that we play extra, are they ahead of the SEC?
Posted on 12/21/10 at 4:40 pm to audodger
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Am I too arrogant about the SEC?
I believe you are a tad bit too arrogant about the SEC.
In my view, SEC dominance over the last four years has been, in part, due to on-field performance, and due, in part, to the sports media.
Let's retrace our steps.
In 2006, all the hype was about Ohio State. Florida was a team the voters put in the NCG regrettably, mostly because Michigan had already lost to Ohio State and because USC had lost to UCLA. To say the least, Florida did not look impressive winning all those games in 2006, and most people thought it would be an OSU rout.
This, I believe, is the root of the whole thing. Because the game went so drastically different than most people expected, they decided there must be something about the SEC they hadn't considered. Some said "speed." Others said it had the best athletes. Others said the best coaches. Others said it was the most competitive, top to bottom, and played the toughest schedule. Whatever the reason, there HAD TO BE A REASON.
But the truth was that it was likely more related to the fact that it was a bad matchup for Ohio State, and Florida had game planned the hell out of them. No....it couldn't be anything due to THAT game.
That is why LSU got put in the game in 2007, which was another terrible matchup for the same team.....Ohio State.
In 2008, the wrong Big XII team got matched up with Florida. In 2009, the team that should have played in 2008 had a stroke of bad luck and lost their QB.
So...the SEC has benefited from onfield performance, yes, even if that performance was aided by good matchups and luck. However, a media myth of SEC dominance has been created that will not be countered until the SEC loses in the NCG.
End rant. Sorry. I know. TLDR.
Posted on 12/21/10 at 4:43 pm to TxTiger82
so for four years in a row and 3 different teams, it was nothing but bad matchups for other teams that were setting records and blowing most of their competition out?
Posted on 12/21/10 at 4:44 pm to oklahogjr
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are they ahead of the SEC?
Lets be clear here. I am not saying the Pac Ten is better. Just talking numbers, the biggest one is BCS championships. We have that stat.
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i'll give them all 48 games i didn't count either, now tell me if they get an extra 98 wins and don't lose a game that we play extra, are they ahead of the SEC?
It is really close. Here is a question for you. How many of those games for the SEC are FCS schools. I do know that the Pac Ten has played the least amount of those over the years and have had really good OOC games for years. SEC has improved in that area for sure lately.
Posted on 12/21/10 at 4:46 pm to LSUintheNW
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It is really close. Here is a question for you. How many of those games for the SEC are FCS schools. I do know that the Pac Ten has played the least amount of those over the years and have had really good OOC games for years. SEC has improved in that area for sure lately.
thats why i gave them 98 wins, over 5 years that should account for our FCS schools we played plus some. It does get close but we are still ahead. 98 extra wins should account for all scheduling inconsistencies.
Posted on 12/21/10 at 4:46 pm to LSUintheNW
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somewhat misleading......Pac Ten has two less teams and they all play one less OOC game because they play a round robin. Over five years that is 50 less games they haven't played to compare.
But the win percentage is still very much in the SEC's favor:
SEC 226-50 .819
Big 12 198-74 .728
Big East 162-61 .726
Big Ten 176-72 .710
Pac-10 113-65 .635
Posted on 12/21/10 at 4:51 pm to oklahogjr
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thats why i gave them 98 wins, over 5 years that should account for our FCS schools we played plus some. It does get close but we are still ahead. 98 extra wins should account for all scheduling inconsistencies.
ok.....so it puts them like 11 or 12 behind. Not bad I guess. Like I said, doesn't really matter. We haven't really had any great matchups between the top teams from the two conferences. This will be the best one coming up.
Posted on 12/21/10 at 4:54 pm to oklahogjr
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so for four years in a row and 3 different teams, it was nothing but bad matchups for other teams that were setting records and blowing most of their competition out?
First of all, I did state that part of the SEC's success has been due to on field performance. However, I fully recognize that the on field success has been aided by favorable match ups and a bit of luck.
I also think there is validity in the conference strength argument - that the SEC is stronger top to bottom than any other conference.
Those factors combined, I think, help EXPLAIN the SEC's performance over the last four years.
I was really not trying to indict the SEC. I was more attempting to explain why the SEC typically gets the benefit of the doubt after the Florida game.
I am an LSU fan, but I can admit that USC had a legit claim to be in the game in 2007. LSU was selected because of what Florida did the year before. No doubt about it.
When LSU won, the SEC was going to get the first nod no matter what.
Posted on 12/21/10 at 4:54 pm to NawlinsTigah270
Current SEC head coaches were 99-96 combined vs. Top 25 teams before the 2010 season. I would be interested to see the same data for the other BCS conferences.
This post was edited on 12/21/10 at 4:55 pm
Posted on 12/21/10 at 4:57 pm to TxTiger82
I think what happened was a combination of SEC teams not losing OOC games very often and the BCS teams showing up most of the time and routing anyone thought to be able to compete with them. Now that the hype machine was created they have been saying every year the SEC is down.
Posted on 12/21/10 at 4:58 pm to LSUintheNW
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You will be the most disappointed barner of them all. I bet everything you said to them was completely realistic
didnt say a word to them actually. just read and laughed.
Posted on 12/21/10 at 5:02 pm to toomersdrugs
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didnt say a word to them actually. just read and laughed.
I bet they would think the same thing about what you think.
Posted on 12/21/10 at 5:02 pm to toomersdrugs
What are the comparable records in bowl games? I think that is the better comparison than overall OOC games.
Posted on 12/21/10 at 5:03 pm to LSUintheNW
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I bet they would think the same thing about what you think.
well they shouldn't because he is right in this instance.
Posted on 12/21/10 at 5:06 pm to 7thWardTiger
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This site uses extensive historical data and calculations similar to those used by the BCS computer rankings. It shows the SEC as the dominant conference over the last decade. The categories of data used for the rankings include:
Win percentage
(Strength of) Schedule
Nat'l Championships
Big Four Bowls (Rose, Fiesta, Orange, Sugar)
This site uses extensive historical data and calculations similar to those used by the BCS computer rankings. It shows the SEC as the dominant conference over the last decade. The categories of data used for the rankings include:
Win percentage
(Strength of) Schedule
Nat'l Championships
Big Four Bowls (Rose, Fiesta, Orange, Sugar)
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