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Smokeyone
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re: On3: The best quarterback/running back/wide receiver trios in college football in 2022
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FIFY


A basic formation that runs 10-12 plays is a gimmick to you? Really? That’s sad. A basic shotgun 1 back 3 wide is a gimmick…..


DawginSC
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I like Hooker more than Bennett (and the stats back that up) and Tillman more than any WR/TE UGA has (the stats back that up as well). I'm not the only one or UGA would be on this list.


The stats don't back that up though.

Bennett and Hooker were almost identical in passing this past year (Both took their time becoming starters... in the end Hooker had only 20 more pass attempts). Hooker ran more often but Bennett did more with each rush attempt.

Tillman and Bowers are pretty similar statistically as well. Bowers had 60 touches for 938 yards and 14 TD. Tillman had 64 touches for 1081 yards and 12 TD.

And frankly... Jabari Small doesn't impress me. His stand out games last year (over 50 yards total rushing and receiving) were against Bowling Green, Ole Miss, South Alabama, Vandy, Florida, Kentucky and Purdue. For McIntosh... a 3rd string player, he topped 50 yards against Arkansas, Tennessee, Charleston Southern and GT. McIntosh had 6 TD's compared to 9 for Small. 570 yards in 80 touches compared to 873 yards in 150 touches. Given the opportunities... McIntosh has played better.

People are overlooking what UGA's offensive players did because the defense was so dominant. But when you actually do look at the stats... UGA was pretty good offensively last year. There's a reason they were 4th in the nation in yards gained per offensive play run and 10th in the nation in scoring offense.


cajunbama
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Where is LSU? I was told Myles Brennan was going to be the next Joe Burrell based on his limited 2020 stats.
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1. Ohio St


Their D had a bad case of tSoft against physical running teams (Minnesota, Oregon, Michigan, and Utah). If they fix that they’ll be scary good

That being said, I can’t wait to see who they inexplicably lose to in the regular season


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Tillman and Bowers are pretty similar statistically as well. Bowers had 60 touches for 938 yards and 14 TD. Tillman had 64 touches for 1081 yards and 12 TD.


Bowers had 882 and 13 receiving
Tillman had 1081 and 12 receiving

But if you want to add in rushing then Hooker had 3565 and 36/3
Bennett had 3121 and 30/7

And Small 792 to McIntosh 328

More production across the board in fewer games.

Last word is yours in this one, you don’t have to like it but the Vols are a at a significant advantage on O compared to UGAs O.
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The second leading receiver left for Bama. The 3rd leading receiver is McConkey...who is a possession guy.


McConkey 31 receptions 447 yards 5 TDs (Freshman)
Burton 26 receptions 497 yards 5 TDs (Sophomore)

Very similar receivers

Mitchell I think may play a pretty big role as well this coming year.


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lewis and herschel
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Yawn, Stet and our stable of backs say hello as our oline mauls you.


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DawginSC
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Bowers had 882 and 13 receiving
Tillman had 1081 and 12 receiving

But if you want to add in rushing then Hooker had 3565 and 36/3
Bennett had 3121 and 30/7

And Small 792 to McIntosh 328

More production across the board in fewer games.

Last word is yours in this one, you don’t have to like it but the Vols are a at a significant advantage on O compared to UGAs O.


I'll take a hit on not including rushing yards for the QB's... but using total yards for some and just one stat for others is kind of misleading.

The reality though is 3565 over 467 touches is 7.6 yards per touch.

3121 yards over 343 touches is 9.1 yards per touch.

Running more plays doesn't make a player or offense better. It's what you do with each play. Bennett did more... just like McIntosh did more (7.1 yards per touch compared to 5.8 yards per touch for Small). The TD numbers also both favor the UGA players. Tillman did out yardage Bowers (15.6 to 16.9 for Tillman), but Bowers had 2 more TD with 4 less touches. THat is a toss up in my book.

UGA does in fact run an offense to burn clock when they have a big lead. That's why Bennett had all of 2 pass attempts in the 4th quarter against UT while UT's QB's had 15. Passing more and running more plays is not a sign of a better offense. That's a sign of being behind and having to pass to have a chance.


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TRUERockyTop
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The stats don't back that up though.

Bennett and Hooker were almost identical in passing this past year (Both took their time becoming starters... in the end Hooker had only 20 more pass attempts). Hooker ran more often but Bennett did more with each rush attempt.

Tillman and Bowers are pretty similar statistically as well. Bowers had 60 touches for 938 yards and 14 TD. Tillman had 64 touches for 1081 yards and 12 TD.

And frankly... Jabari Small doesn't impress me. His stand out games last year (over 50 yards total rushing and receiving) were against Bowling Green, Ole Miss, South Alabama, Vandy, Florida, Kentucky and Purdue. For McIntosh... a 3rd string player, he topped 50 yards against Arkansas, Tennessee, Charleston Southern and GT. McIntosh had 6 TD's compared to 9 for Small. 570 yards in 80 touches compared to 873 yards in 150 touches. Given the opportunities... McIntosh has played better.

People are overlooking what UGA's offensive players did because the defense was so dominant. But when you actually do look at the stats... UGA was pretty good offensively last year. There's a reason they were 4th in the nation in yards gained per offensive play run and 10th in the nation in scoring offense.


The stats more than back that that up. Hooker was better than Bennett in every category while playing fewer games and having a severe disadvantage in OL & skill talent. Tennessee's offense was better than Georgia's in every category as well.

Passing:
Hooker: 2,945 yards in 12 games played
Bennett: 2,862 yards in 13 games played

Rushing:
Hooker: 613 yards
Bennett: 259 yards

Completion Percentage:
Hooker: 68%
Bennett: 64.5%

TD / Int ratio:
Hooker: 31 touchdowns / 3 int's
Bennett: 29 touchdowns / 7 int's

Passing yards per game:
Hooker: 226.5 ypg
Bennett: 204.4 ypg

Rushing yards per game:
Hooker: 47.15 ypg
Bennett: 18.5 ypg


Overall Offensive Production:

Total Offense:
Tennessee: 9th in the country
Georgia: 25th in the country

Scoring Offense:
Tennessee: 7th in the country
Georgia: 9th in the country

Passing Offense:
Tennessee: 39th in the country
Georgia: 51st in the country

Rushing Offense:
Tennessee: 12th in the country
Georgia: 26th in the country

Tillman had 1,081 yards in 13 games.
Bowers had 882 yards in 15 games.


Tennessee is better than Georgia in every offensive metric out there. Team wise, Quarterback wise, Wide Receiver wise, etc. RB is debatable. All the while having significantly less talent on the LOS to protect Hooker. And this was in year 1 of a brand new coach installing his system. And had his best offensive players transfer out before the year started and being down 20 scholarships. Tennessee's roster was held together with duck tape and glue last season and was still one of the best offenses in the country. Quite literally better than Georgia's in every recorded metric
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meansonny
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Any group ranking like this that does not include UGA is suspect.


You've got a former walkon qb, a couple of returning 3 star sophomores in AD Mitchell and Ladd McConkey.

The UGA running backs are studs (even as recruits). But most lists like this are looking at either recruiting rankings or NFL draft boards to come up with their content


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meansonny
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The stats more than back that that up. Hooker was better than Bennett in every category while playing fewer games and having a severe disadvantage in OL & skill talent. Tennessee's offense was better than Georgia's in every category as well.



You do realize that all of your metrics fall apart when splitting first half stats and comparing them.

Outside of the post season, Stetson attempted 9 passes in the 4th quarter all season (about 1 per start).
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lewis and herschel
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Your metrics dont account for us having enormous leads and calling off the Dawgs.

Stetson>Hooker.


DawginSC
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The stats more than back that that up. Hooker was better than Bennett in every category while playing fewer games and having a severe disadvantage in OL & skill talent. Tennessee's offense was better than Georgia's in every category as well.


I guess reading comprehension isn't a great skill of yours?

Or maybe you didn't read where I talked about how running more plays doesn't make a player (or offense) better. It's what you do with each play that matters.

So here are some "by play" stats for you.

First for the team:

UGA yards per play in 2021 - 6.98
UT - 6.47

UGA rushing yards per carry - 5.26
UT - 4.91

UGA yards per pass attempt - 9.28
UT - 8.91

UGA was better at running the ball and throwing the ball... which made them better overall. Yes we ran less plays because we had huge leads against teams in the second half and ran out the clock to end the game rather than running more plays to get more stats. But that's not relevant as to how good the offense was. The per play statistics show that.

Same with Hooker and Bennett.

Hooker had 9.7 yards per pass attempt. Bennett had 10 yards per pass attempt. Hooker had 3.7 yards per carry. Bennett had 4.6.

Doing something more often doesn't mean you're better at it.

Now Bowers and Tillman are pretty close. Bowers had more TD per touch, Tillman had more yards per touch. Neither was that far off the other. But Bowers being a TE while doing that makes a big difference for me... which is why he was an all-american and Tillman wasn't.


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TRUERockyTop
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Stetson>Hooker


And nobody, both professional pundits or casual fans, agree with you.


djsdawg
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Last word is yours in this one, you don’t have to like it but the Vols are a at a significant advantage on O compared to UGAs O.


Vols do have the terrible D + gimmick O system, both of which artificially inflates your stats, but the highly advanced stats see through that.


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meansonny
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Stetson>Hooker


I think what hooker provides in the run game is huge.

The knock on hooker that he is a system qb is huge as well. His numbers in that system are actually fairly pedestrian compared to heupel's other QBs.

There are arguments both ways.

But comparing season stats and ignoring what Bennett and UGA could do when trying to build a lead (UGA # 2 in conference for passing TDs and #3 in conference for passing yards in the first half) is a simpleton mistake.
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lewis and herschel
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Dont have to, Stetson won a National Title, thats objective.

Hooker couldnt beat purdue.



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djsdawg
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and questions about RB production.


Since when does a school like uga have RB questions?

I guess we had them in 2012 only to see 2 unknown freshmen emerge.


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FirstCityDawg
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Yet the Vols still go 7-5 with a blowout loss to UGA.


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DawginSC
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Stetson>Hooker


And nobody, both professional pundits or casual fans, agree with you.


Actually, in ESPN's top 100 players for this upcoming season they have Bennett at 45 and Hooker at 49.

They have Brock Bowers at 8 and Tillman at 60.

Neither RB is on the list.

So... if you consider ESPN to be a "professional pundit", your statement is incorrect.


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