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re: Ole Miss fans and wealth?
Posted on 10/2/12 at 5:05 pm to Shiner Bock Aggie
Posted on 10/2/12 at 5:05 pm to Shiner Bock Aggie
Used to hang out at Humperdinks on Greenville when I lived there. The Metroplex is a shithole and I am glad I don't live there anymore.
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Posted on 10/2/12 at 5:06 pm to bayou2003
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Um there's a certain group of people making Mississippi very poor, don't act dumb. Just STOP!!
I didn't want to say it, but you are right.
Posted on 10/2/12 at 5:20 pm to LuciusSulla
Alot of good info in this thread...
Fact is, if we have to explain "why" MS is how it is, people are already never going to understand it.
The class divide here is multi-generational and almost set in stone. By this, I mean that it is really independent of the economy. I could take you to many towns along the MS river with > 50% unemployment. People in many of these places are into the 2nd or 3rd generation of being content with the check the government is going to send them...and seeing how many kids they can have to supplement that income. It is sad but true, and I work routinely in several of these areas.
Also, State/OM are always ranked by admissions standards, which are MANDATED by court order in MS. The Ayers Case forced a uniform set of admissions standards across every public university in MS(forcing State/OM to lower standards to meet the HBCU across the state). As such, we get a ton of unqualified students into school who promptly drop out. This gives a high flunk out rate on bad admission standards. A double-edged sword in university rankings that does not even come close to describing who our universities actually are.
Even the "salary reports" listed in my previous post do not tell the whole story, because the cost of living is generally the lowest in the country for State/OM grads out of school(esp if they stay in state). The correct way to determine these numbers would be to compare the student income vs per capita income in a given area, and then give that number as a percentage. If you do this, State/OM look much more attractive on this list(as do many of the SEC schools for that matter).
People can call State/OM poor all they want to, but I'd love to see a list of $$ donated to school/living alumni, because there wouldn't be very many in the country these past two years with a higher % than our two schools, particularly on the athletics side...
Fact is, if we have to explain "why" MS is how it is, people are already never going to understand it.
The class divide here is multi-generational and almost set in stone. By this, I mean that it is really independent of the economy. I could take you to many towns along the MS river with > 50% unemployment. People in many of these places are into the 2nd or 3rd generation of being content with the check the government is going to send them...and seeing how many kids they can have to supplement that income. It is sad but true, and I work routinely in several of these areas.
Also, State/OM are always ranked by admissions standards, which are MANDATED by court order in MS. The Ayers Case forced a uniform set of admissions standards across every public university in MS(forcing State/OM to lower standards to meet the HBCU across the state). As such, we get a ton of unqualified students into school who promptly drop out. This gives a high flunk out rate on bad admission standards. A double-edged sword in university rankings that does not even come close to describing who our universities actually are.
Even the "salary reports" listed in my previous post do not tell the whole story, because the cost of living is generally the lowest in the country for State/OM grads out of school(esp if they stay in state). The correct way to determine these numbers would be to compare the student income vs per capita income in a given area, and then give that number as a percentage. If you do this, State/OM look much more attractive on this list(as do many of the SEC schools for that matter).
People can call State/OM poor all they want to, but I'd love to see a list of $$ donated to school/living alumni, because there wouldn't be very many in the country these past two years with a higher % than our two schools, particularly on the athletics side...
Posted on 10/2/12 at 5:20 pm to Shiner Bock Aggie
Since my freshman year Ole Miss has been 50/50 in state/ out of state. Most of the out of state kids are ones that couldn't get accepted into Tenn, UGA, Tex, Bama ect and almost all of them have money. The frat star, party, we are better than you is a way of life at Ole Miss and it takes away from the fanbase in the sense that all of those students have alliences to the schools they couldn't get into and just see Ole Miss as a place to party. It is an issue that wont go away until admission standards are raised. This is hindered because all state schools must have the same entry standards.
Knowing the history of Mississippi, U of M was traditionally the school for the social elite. State was for the agricultural side of the state (a huge part of state history) but the money sent their kids to Ole Miss. Now that thought is diluted with out of state money who have no ties to the school beforehand.
Knowing the history of Mississippi, U of M was traditionally the school for the social elite. State was for the agricultural side of the state (a huge part of state history) but the money sent their kids to Ole Miss. Now that thought is diluted with out of state money who have no ties to the school beforehand.
Posted on 10/2/12 at 5:27 pm to engie
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Fact is, if we have to explain "why" MS is how it is, people are already never going to understand it.
Unfortunately, I've found that people are only interested in information that paints the state as the stereotype they already want to believe.
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The Ayers Case forced a uniform set of admissions standards across every public university in MS(forcing State/OM to lower standards to meet the HBCU across the state).
I had forgotten about this twist.
This post was edited on 10/2/12 at 5:28 pm
Posted on 10/2/12 at 5:32 pm to Klark Kent
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it's kind of like being the tallest midget in the circus.
It's like being a guy whose life is so interdasting he has 31,000+ posts on a message board
Posted on 10/2/12 at 5:40 pm to LuciusSulla
quote:It was either Barrett, Nutt, Minor or Langston
No, but he did work with Dickie on the tobacco lawsuit back in the 90s.
Posted on 10/2/12 at 5:45 pm to Diamondawg
Indeed it was. I think we might have talked about this once before last season.
Posted on 10/2/12 at 5:56 pm to Shiner Bock Aggie
You're next bitch
Posted on 10/2/12 at 5:59 pm to LuciusSulla
I don't recall. But I did follow the stuff real closely on a couple of legal blogs and also read the The Fall of the House of Zeus
Posted on 10/2/12 at 6:43 pm to MaroonNation
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Because only poor people in MS are poor. Most Mississippians arehard working middle class folks. I guarantee there are four times the amount of poor people in TX than MS has. Our population is just so tiny that statistics really stick out.
There are places in MS that are just as affluent as what TX has. But no one does studies or articles on those places
Holy shite this is one of the dumbest things I've read anywhere
Posted on 10/2/12 at 6:59 pm to Diamondawg
I don't know any of the personally. My dad is retired military. The private pilot gig came along for one of them, and he took it.
From what I have gathered, some of that group really believed in helping folks, some just wanted to get rich, but most vacillated between those two perspectives.
From what I have gathered, some of that group really believed in helping folks, some just wanted to get rich, but most vacillated between those two perspectives.
Posted on 10/2/12 at 7:02 pm to jso0003
quote:That's not even the dumbest thing on this site this week.
Holy shite this is one of the dumbest things I've read anywhere
Posted on 10/2/12 at 7:05 pm to Shiner Bock Aggie
Lots of Houstonian kids with wealthy families go to Ole Miss. Your wealth is because of us. They couldn't get into A&M or Texas so they settle for Ole Miss.
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Posted on 10/2/12 at 7:40 pm to Shiner Bock Aggie
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most rich alums are from out of state or is almost all wealth in the state associated with Ole Miss?
Both.
There are a lot of Ole Miss alumni in Memphis (which might as well be in Mississippi), New Orleans, Dallas, Atlanta, and DC.
Also, for the logest time, Ole Miss had the only law and still has the only medical school in the state, so if you're a doctor or lawyer from Mississippi the chances of you being associated with Ole Miss are high.
Posted on 10/2/12 at 7:41 pm to NYCAuburn
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Being a doctor or lawyer does not mean you are wealthy, FWIW
But it certainly increases the likelihood.
Posted on 10/2/12 at 7:43 pm to DCRebel
I will be lucky to get paid minimum wage with my crappy ole miss degree. 
Posted on 10/2/12 at 7:43 pm to Diamondawg
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It was either Barrett, Nutt, Minor or Langston
It was David Nutt. He draws $30 mil a year from fronting Dickie money going into the Tobacco case.
Posted on 10/2/12 at 7:43 pm to FlukerFlakes
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Jackson, MS is the worst city in America
For starters, calling jackson a "city" is a bit of a stretch, and have you even been to Montgomery?
Posted on 10/2/12 at 7:47 pm to BigD Ag
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Texas A&M University
Starting Salary: $50,200
Mid-career salary: $92,700
% with high job meaning: 59%
537 - tie
University of Mississippi
Starting Salary: $39,000
Mid-career salary: $70,100
% with high job meaning: 59%
Adjust that shite for cost of living. Raw data doesn't mean a goddamn thing.
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