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re: Oklahoma AG Speaks out against LSU "NFL" players, unaware OU signs NFL Broncos Player
Posted on 9/4/26 at 3:39 pm to DawgsLife
Posted on 9/4/26 at 3:39 pm to DawgsLife
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Let me try putting it another way. If he had signed a contract to go to minicamp, wouldn't he then have a contract as an UDFA? They have an invite...not a contract.
They don’t have an employment contract.
You obviously don’t understand that there are different types of contracts, and the definition of a contract is actually very simple and straight forward.
It’s nothing more than an agreement between two parties. So, for the last time:
“I will attend your mini camp in exchange for XXX”
^^^
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Posted on 9/4/26 at 3:45 pm to John Casey
Here is what I found concerning UDFA's. I would encourage you not take AI information as gospel truth. Might it be correct? Yes. But I have been bitten several times relying on AI information.
Here is what i found from a source...not AI:
Rookie Minicamps and Organized Team Activities (OTAs)
Newly signed prospects and invited tryout players report to team facilities within weeks for rookie minicamps. For players who did not receive an immediate contract offer, a minicamp tryout invitation serves as a vital foot in the door. Operating on a handshake basis or a temporary agreement, these participants compete intensely during a three-day window to earn a permanent contract before standard summer practices begin.
Metroleague.org
Here is what i found from a source...not AI:
Rookie Minicamps and Organized Team Activities (OTAs)
Newly signed prospects and invited tryout players report to team facilities within weeks for rookie minicamps. For players who did not receive an immediate contract offer, a minicamp tryout invitation serves as a vital foot in the door. Operating on a handshake basis or a temporary agreement, these participants compete intensely during a three-day window to earn a permanent contract before standard summer practices begin.
Metroleague.org
Posted on 9/4/26 at 3:47 pm to RB10
quote:can we at least agree that the purpose of deciding whether one is a professional is being paid a salary? Not a stipend, or something to cover expenses, but a salaried. I would also say that to be considered a member of a team one would have to show up on their roster at least at some point.
You obviously don’t understand that there are different types of contracts, and the definition of a contract is actually very simple and straight forward.
Posted on 9/4/26 at 3:50 pm to captdalton
You definitely sprained your vagina
Posted on 9/4/26 at 3:50 pm to DawgsLife
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UDFA's. I would encourage you not take AI information as gospel truth.
I don’t, but that was an easy copy and paste and looked like a good summary of what everyone has been trying to argue.
No one is arguing saying those that attended minicamp tryouts signed a contract to be on the 90 man preseason roster.
We are arguing, that since this is all being played out in the courts, any agreement that puts pen to paper between the invitee and the NFL team can be considered a “contract” under the letter of the law and thus in violation of the SEC’s rules.
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Operating on a handshake basis or a temporary agreement, these participants compete intensely during a three-day window to earn a permanent contract before standard summer practices begin.
So a temporary contract can become a permanent contract?
A contract is still a contract and that is the issue with the SEC rule, if it were to ever be challenged in court.
This post was edited on 9/4/26 at 3:52 pm
Posted on 9/4/26 at 3:50 pm to DawgsLife
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can we at least agree that the purpose of deciding whether one is a professional is being paid a salary? Not a stipend, or something to cover expenses, but a salaried. I would also say that to be considered a member of a team one would have to show up on their roster at least at some point.
Sure but at that point 90% of college football players are professionals so ruling them ineligible based on being a “pro” is moot.
The line will need to be “has participated in NFL, NBA, MLB etc. activities”.
Posted on 9/4/26 at 3:52 pm to Dragula
It begs the question:
Why isn’t Sankey and the SEC going after Venables and OU?
Why isn’t Sankey and the SEC going after Venables and OU?
Posted on 9/4/26 at 3:52 pm to RB10
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“I will attend your mini camp in exchange for XXX” ^^^ Contract
XXX is medical expenses, travel money, and lodging money. Now I’m not claiming to be knowledgeable about this process, but that’s monetary compensation for trying out for an NFL team at a mini camp. So a player in training camp gets more monetary compensation. Still, both are profiting from an opportunity with a professional team. The lines are extremely blurred. To everyone except Sankey it would seem.
Posted on 9/4/26 at 3:54 pm to DawgsLife
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can we at least agree that the purpose of deciding whether one is a professional is being paid a salary? Not a stipend, or something to cover expenses, but a salaried.
I’d agree to that and it would clear up everything going on right now.
Players like Wright and Harris that signed undrafted free agent contracts are not paid a salary, unless they make the active 53 man roster. They are only paid stipends and per diems during preseason training camps.
Posted on 9/4/26 at 3:55 pm to RB10
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Sure but at that point 90% of college football players are professionals so ruling them ineligible based on being a “pro” is moot.
I would go further and say 100% of college players that receive NIL are professional...which is another reason that find this whole mess amusing.
It just seems hypocritical to say a player is ineligible because he got paid when all of the college players are getting paid now.
quote:This seems to be the logical solution....which is why the NCAA won't ever go for it!
The line will need to be “has participated in NFL, NBA, MLB etc. activities”.
Posted on 9/4/26 at 4:03 pm to DawgsLife
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This seems to be the logical solution....which is why the NCAA won't ever go for it!
The logical solution would be for the NCAA to just admit it made a mistake by excluding the 2022 HS class from the 5/5 rule acknowledging that they were the only class since 2019 to be denied a 5 the year. Just declare that and that the 22 class is eligible, allow them a brief window to find a school then move on and make clear eligibility rules moving forward.
It really is not that fricking hard
This post was edited on 9/4/26 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 9/4/26 at 4:17 pm to Dragula
Thank you, Gentner, for taking such a courageous stand against the foremost issue in our society today. Where would we be without you?
Posted on 9/4/26 at 4:22 pm to captdalton
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By rule attending minicamp does not meet the threshold of being a pro NFL player..
So he put on a Denver broncos helmet, got professional coaching and training, practiced against other professional players(very common for players that have been playing for years to get invited to these mini camps for tryouts) team fed them and housed them and got paid a per diem check by a professional team for their work, but they not professionals. Right…..
You are worse than Sankeys stupid arse. A judge would laugh at that reach trying to explain the difference during testimony.
This post was edited on 9/4/26 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 9/4/26 at 4:49 pm to billjamin
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It says signs "a contract with an NFL team". It draws no distinction between a camp participation agreement and an NFLPA CBA qualifying agreement.
It also does not specify that the contract has to involve financial compensation. So many are hanging their hats on their own interpretation.
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