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re: Offseason thread: what non-SEC football program most resembles each SEC program?
Posted on 5/7/15 at 6:46 pm to CCTider
Posted on 5/7/15 at 6:46 pm to CCTider
Mississippi State could also be compared to Purdue.
MSU all time record (.488)
Purdue all time record (.525)
Both engineering schools in forgotten states in their region. Purdue has to deal with Michigan and Ohio State. MSU has to deal with LSU and Bama.
Stadium capacities are within a few hundred.
Purdue has been to 17 bowl games, MSU has been to 18 bowl games. Mostly second tier bowl games. MSU has three Orange Bowl appearances. Purdue has two Rose Bowl appearances and a Citrus Bowl appearance. The rest: Sun, Alamo, Peach, Liberty, Music City, Gator type bowls.
MSU's outright SEC title came in 1941. Purdue's outright Big 10 title came in 1929.
Both have a history of having shitty quarterbacks. But both have had great seasons led by good quarterbacks. Drew Brees at Purdue and Dak Prescott at MSU.
One thing I learned that doesn't strengthen the argument but I found interesting as I was researching:
The Purdue "Spoilermakers"- Purdue has won more games against #1 teams than anyone except Oklahoma and Notre Dame. Seven wins vs. #1.
MSU all time record (.488)
Purdue all time record (.525)
Both engineering schools in forgotten states in their region. Purdue has to deal with Michigan and Ohio State. MSU has to deal with LSU and Bama.
Stadium capacities are within a few hundred.
Purdue has been to 17 bowl games, MSU has been to 18 bowl games. Mostly second tier bowl games. MSU has three Orange Bowl appearances. Purdue has two Rose Bowl appearances and a Citrus Bowl appearance. The rest: Sun, Alamo, Peach, Liberty, Music City, Gator type bowls.
MSU's outright SEC title came in 1941. Purdue's outright Big 10 title came in 1929.
Both have a history of having shitty quarterbacks. But both have had great seasons led by good quarterbacks. Drew Brees at Purdue and Dak Prescott at MSU.
One thing I learned that doesn't strengthen the argument but I found interesting as I was researching:
The Purdue "Spoilermakers"- Purdue has won more games against #1 teams than anyone except Oklahoma and Notre Dame. Seven wins vs. #1.
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Posted on 5/7/15 at 7:02 pm to AU24
Florida St
Posted on 5/7/15 at 7:12 pm to BreakawayZou83
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Texas A&M: Virginia Tech. But much weirder. Both have little brother syndrome; could probably attend counseling together.
Actually,
Texas A&M: Michigan State. Programs that had their greatest success in the 40's and 50's but are trending back up. Both had coaches who went on to win multiple national championships at Alabama.
Posted on 5/7/15 at 7:16 pm to GenesChin
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LSU: Penn State - Unbelieveable in state talent, historical success and good but not great coaches mask the fact that neither team is on the verge of championships. Both are like North Korea, on your mind but not being taken seriously
LSU not on the verge of championships or being taken seriously?
You do realize there hasn't been a 4 year stretch in college football since the turn of the century where LSU hasn't played in a national championship game right?
I agree penn state has been somewhat irrelevant for a while
This post was edited on 5/7/15 at 7:20 pm
Posted on 5/7/15 at 7:23 pm to anc
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Both have a history of having shitty quarterbacks
You had me until this comment. Griese, Dawson, Everett, Danielson? Purdue has even trademarked the name "Cradle of Quarterbacks".
ETA: The rest of the comparison is pretty good.
This post was edited on 5/7/15 at 7:33 pm
Posted on 5/7/15 at 7:25 pm to BreakawayZou83
Posted on 5/7/15 at 7:37 pm to WG_Dawg
Georgia hard. Looking back, Georgia really is Penn State. Always relevant, ridiculous talent pool, only lesser in state competition but never able to get over the hump.
LSU probably is better for Texas only because they run LA like UT runs Texas, they had recent success and both are in the decline.
LSU probably is better for Texas only because they run LA like UT runs Texas, they had recent success and both are in the decline.
Posted on 5/7/15 at 7:39 pm to Lsuchs
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You do realize there hasn't been a 4 year stretch in college football since the turn of the century where LSU hasn't played in a national championship game right?
We talking seasons or calendar years?
2012-2015 if we're talking seasons.
2013-2016 if we're talking calendar years.
Posted on 5/7/15 at 8:08 pm to BreakawayZou83
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Missouri:Minnesota. Only major program in a fairly large state.
Never heard of Florida or Georgia, huh?
Or Texas?
This post was edited on 5/7/15 at 8:13 pm
Posted on 5/7/15 at 8:10 pm to kudzoo
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Never heard of Florida
Florida State? Miami?
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Georgia
Georgia Tech? Auburn?
Posted on 5/7/15 at 8:13 pm to BreakawayZou83
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Georgia
Georgia Tech? Auburn?
Auburn's not in Georgia. Auburn is north Florida. Why do so many people make this mistake?
Posted on 5/7/15 at 8:19 pm to BreakawayZou83
Alabama: Oklahoma
Arkansas: Wisconsin
Auburn: Clemson
Florida: Texas
Georgia: Penn St
Kentucky: North Carolina
LSU: Florida St
MSU: Texas Tech
Missouri: Iowa
Ole Miss: Baylor
USCe: Oklahoma State
Tennessee: Nebraska
Texas A&M: UCLA
Vandy: Northwestern
Arkansas: Wisconsin
Auburn: Clemson
Florida: Texas
Georgia: Penn St
Kentucky: North Carolina
LSU: Florida St
MSU: Texas Tech
Missouri: Iowa
Ole Miss: Baylor
USCe: Oklahoma State
Tennessee: Nebraska
Texas A&M: UCLA
Vandy: Northwestern
Posted on 5/7/15 at 8:35 pm to kudzoo
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Never heard of Florida or Georgia, huh?
Or Texas?
Uhhhh.....what?
Posted on 5/7/15 at 9:09 pm to BreakawayZou83
Well done, my Tiger. Well done indeed. ;cheers:
Posted on 5/7/15 at 9:20 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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We talking seasons or calendar years? 2012-2015 if we're talking seasons. 2013-2016 if we're talking calendar years.
I didn't know we already played the 2015 season, here i was thinking it's been 3 years since our last title game...
Any way you want to slice it big dog.
I'd think seasons would be simplest way, but technically our last championship game was in 2012 (1-9-12). So 1-9-16 would be four years no? So until the end of the 2015 season or 1-9-16 my statement is correct. Now technically if the championship is on 1-10-16 you got me lol, then you have leap years...
The point I was trying to make was every player that has signed with us since 2000 and not left early has either played in or still has a chance to play in a national title game. no player signed by penn state since 2000 has played in one. If that makes us equal to them and irrelevant to the college football world then so be it.
This post was edited on 5/7/15 at 10:11 pm
Posted on 5/7/15 at 9:31 pm to BreakawayZou83
spot on: ug/ut, usc/clemson, tamu/vtech, bama/dame (are we really unbearable ... 
), uk/uk ...
eh, kind of: arky/wisky, lsu/mich (hate to compare my lsu cousins to those yanks), msu/ksu, ole miss/mary
way off: auburn/msu ... msu doesn't compare to auburn in football, imo ... ut/usc ... usc has several national titles in different time periods ... that's the worst one, imo ...
9/10 off season thread, tho ...
), uk/uk ... eh, kind of: arky/wisky, lsu/mich (hate to compare my lsu cousins to those yanks), msu/ksu, ole miss/mary
way off: auburn/msu ... msu doesn't compare to auburn in football, imo ... ut/usc ... usc has several national titles in different time periods ... that's the worst one, imo ...
9/10 off season thread, tho ...
Posted on 5/8/15 at 5:38 am to BreakawayZou83
Most of them are pretty good. However...
Kansas State is considerably more successful than Mississippi State. I'm thinking more of Mississippi State: Oregon State.
I don't get this one. Missouri is a much more successful program than Minnesota. Maybe Missouri: West Virginia?
Clemson is a lot more successful than South Carolina. I think I'd pick South Carolina: North Carolina State
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Mississippi State: Kansas State. Small ag schools located in the middle of nowhere. Frequently left out of the conversation but still find a way to occasionally compete despite the lack of resources.
Kansas State is considerably more successful than Mississippi State. I'm thinking more of Mississippi State: Oregon State.
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Missouri: Minnesota. Only major program in a fairly large state. Lack of success given that fact. Mostly ignored by the national media. Both have coaches that have brought them back from the dead. Both full of hoodie-wearing Yankees.
I don't get this one. Missouri is a much more successful program than Minnesota. Maybe Missouri: West Virginia?
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South Carolina: Clemson. But shittier. Because they are more alike their in-state rivals than they could possibly imagine.
Clemson is a lot more successful than South Carolina. I think I'd pick South Carolina: North Carolina State
Posted on 5/8/15 at 7:04 am to anc
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Mississippi State could also be compared to Purdue.
Both engineering schools in forgotten states in their region.
Look I like State but comparing their engineering program to Purdue is just sadly delusional and I think Indiana is a Top 20 state in population that has at least 3 major schools (Notre Dame + Purdue + Indiana) and now I must go shower for having to defend the state of Indiana.
Posted on 5/8/15 at 7:04 am to anc
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Kentucky: Kansas. When does basketball season start?
I would say Kentucky would be Indiana
Kansas is well below UK in basketball domination at the NCAA's
North Carolina was not even a basketball state till Coach Case left Indiana to coach the Wolfpack of NC State. Tarheels basketball grew from that so their blood is not as blue as modern revisionist would have us believe.
This post was edited on 5/8/15 at 7:10 am
Posted on 5/8/15 at 7:19 am to BreakawayZou83
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Missouri: Minnesota. Only major program in a fairly large state. Lack of success given that fact.
Seriously?
Missouri CFB MNC's = 0
Minnesota CFB MNC's = 4
Gophers were the first CFB team with 3 MNC's after Bernie Beirman left his success at Tulane to lead the Gophers. I think they won 3 back to back to back just before WWII and then they never fully recovered after the war. They still won another MNC in the 60's so they have a most impressive football history.
Gophers have also been to an NCAA Final Four which Missouri still has not accomplished.
Gophers are probably a Top 25 academic school while Missouri is more like Top 100
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