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re: NIL has neutered the SEC in the 2 big money sports
Posted on 4/8/26 at 2:57 pm to D3Fan
Posted on 4/8/26 at 2:57 pm to D3Fan
I asked you to back up the assertion. I asked you point blank if you thought the actually competitive Big 10 teams like OSU, Michigan, and Penn State weren't illegally paying money for recruiting. Is that your assertion?
When you make a claim, then fail to back it up, then demand someone else refute your claim, that is a well known debating sidestep. Disprove my assertion or it must be true is a junior high level talking point. HOWEVER, I'll answer your question. I am sure SEC teams were dropping bags. I might even be willing to say that more SEC teams were willing to do so. I think it is absolutely ridiculous to think that it was on a level way higher than the big name teams in other conferences. Your issue is that you want to assume that the Big 10 only lost because they weren't cheating. They had some natural disadvantages, but the Ohio States of the world still managed to get 5 star players from the South to places like Columbus. It is a plainly nonsensical logical argument.
Now they have the biggest advantage possible with more money to spend. You have been reinforcing that very idea. There is actual data to back this up. Are you claiming that Big 10 schools couldn't figure out paying players before, or are you willing to die on the hill that they just had too much integrity?
Somehow, you have equated being able to purchase the best players for championships today to mean that all previous champions had to have been paying more too. You can't show that. That's why I and anyone else can and should question your claim.
When you make a claim, then fail to back it up, then demand someone else refute your claim, that is a well known debating sidestep. Disprove my assertion or it must be true is a junior high level talking point. HOWEVER, I'll answer your question. I am sure SEC teams were dropping bags. I might even be willing to say that more SEC teams were willing to do so. I think it is absolutely ridiculous to think that it was on a level way higher than the big name teams in other conferences. Your issue is that you want to assume that the Big 10 only lost because they weren't cheating. They had some natural disadvantages, but the Ohio States of the world still managed to get 5 star players from the South to places like Columbus. It is a plainly nonsensical logical argument.
Now they have the biggest advantage possible with more money to spend. You have been reinforcing that very idea. There is actual data to back this up. Are you claiming that Big 10 schools couldn't figure out paying players before, or are you willing to die on the hill that they just had too much integrity?
Somehow, you have equated being able to purchase the best players for championships today to mean that all previous champions had to have been paying more too. You can't show that. That's why I and anyone else can and should question your claim.
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Posted on 4/8/26 at 3:06 pm to Crimson K
Here's the bottom line. You want to cling to some fantasy that the SEC wasn't cheating more with illegal payments. I'll never convince you otherwise. Fine. So all we have is data from when NIL became legal plus of course, the expanded playoff. Until the SEC can outperform the Big Ten, it will be hard to dispute my allegations. But people want to believe what they want to believe. Someone on this board actually thinks SEC teams have as much financial resources for athletics as Big Ten teams. That's seriously on par with Greg McElroy's assertion that we faked the moon landing. I'm all for NIL caps for the sake of parity. But let's not pretend the SEC has equal financial resources to the Big Ten. Iowa is a lower tier school in the Big Ten financially and they are far wealthier than LSU, Auburn, Ole Miss, South Carolina and Alabama. That should put it in perspective.
Posted on 4/8/26 at 5:49 pm to D3Fan
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Here's the bottom line. You want to cling to some fantasy that the SEC wasn't cheating more with illegal payments. I'll never convince you otherwise. Fine.
Why can’t you address the simple question why you believe Big 10 teams weren’t cheating on a large scale? You have sidestepped this repeatedly. I’ve give you some links.
Player claims OSU gave him cash and cars.
MSU recruiting violations
Fab 5 improper benefits scandal
This is from like 2 minutes of searching. It’s why I am unwilling to let your BS claim slide. The Big 10 has a long history of scandals going back over 30 years. They also consistently received lighter punishments when caught.
I’ve never argued that SEC teams are wealthier, though endowments don’t really have much to do with athletic department and booster spending. Why do you believe the Big 10 couldn’t compete before the NIL and unlimited transfer era? I have just given you receipts that they have been cheating. You have to pretty much say that the schools were too dumb to cheat. Why do you think they have to overpay to get talent today?
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I'm all for NIL caps for the sake of parity. But let's not pretend the SEC has equal financial resources to the Big Ten
If this happens, the Big 10 will see its success fall off quickly.
Posted on 4/8/26 at 6:41 pm to Crimson K
So what's your explanation for why the Big Ten is dominant over the SEC in the NIL era? Now that players can be paid openly, it is mere conincidence that the Big Ten is dominant? Occams Razor.
Posted on 4/8/26 at 7:43 pm to D3Fan
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So what's your explanation for why the Big Ten is dominant over the SEC in the NIL era
Holy hell man. I have repeatedly said that the Big 10 has and is spending more money in the NIL era. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with it from a rules perspective either. I just took issue with the notion that Big 10 teams weren’t paying before. It’s a weak excuse for why the SEC dominated. My saying that NIL potentially being capped would hurt the Big 10 goes hand in hand with this. Big 10 teams (at the least the few that are willing to pay big $) are successful because they can outbid for transfers, and since the tampering stuff is going on everywhere, they can get more developed players who want to cash in or target specific HS players they feel are can’t miss. It’s a smart way to handle this window of opportunity. Calling the ability to outspend other teams a more level playing field is a little silly though. If there were something like a salary cap, Big 10 teams wouldn’t be able to poach nearly as much as they currently are.
Posted on 4/8/26 at 9:06 pm to Crimson K
Very simple..the SEC dominated when had the top head coaches..now the Big Ten does..it will change..will go back and forth between the Big Ten and the SEC....it will change every 4-6 years prob.
Posted on 4/8/26 at 9:51 pm to Gatorbait2008
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Very simple..the SEC dominated when had the top head coaches..now the Big Ten does..it will change..will go back and forth between the Big Ten and the SEC....it will change every 4-6 years prob.
This is the problem. We've been in a coaching drought. Cignetti exemplifies this.
edit: Kirby is the exception in modern era.
This post was edited on 4/8/26 at 9:52 pm
Posted on 4/9/26 at 8:08 am to Lgrnwd
The coaching has neutered the SEC, not the NIL. The SEC will still lap the field in the NFL draft. Therefore it’s not a talent issue. We still have the most talented conference in every major sport.
The NIL has shrunk the advantage but it’s still a strong SEC advantage. The difference is the head coaching. The B10 is doing more with less. The B10 has better elite coaching candidates than the SEC.
Saban was elite talent plus elite coaching. Bama still has elite talent but there’s not a gump alive who wouldn’t rejoice if Saban walked back through the door today.
If Lane can avoid the SA charges and distracting NFL rumors then he could be the next great. I wouldn’t bet pocket change on that.
The NIL has shrunk the advantage but it’s still a strong SEC advantage. The difference is the head coaching. The B10 is doing more with less. The B10 has better elite coaching candidates than the SEC.
Saban was elite talent plus elite coaching. Bama still has elite talent but there’s not a gump alive who wouldn’t rejoice if Saban walked back through the door today.
If Lane can avoid the SA charges and distracting NFL rumors then he could be the next great. I wouldn’t bet pocket change on that.
Posted on 4/9/26 at 11:39 am to BurgTiger
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The SEC will still lap the field in the NFL draft.
The latest ESPN first round projection has Ohio State alone with only one less first round pick than the entire 16 teams of the SEC. Is this your idea of the SEC "lapping the field"?
Posted on 4/9/26 at 11:55 am to Lgrnwd
SEC is beginning to negotiate a new TV contract. It will be massive. The SEC will add 4-8 schools from the ACC. The SEC will silo the conference, meaning that the SEC will withdraw from the NCAA, set its own governance, and compete solely within the SEC. The SEC will negotiate its own playoff TV deal within the conference for an SEC champion. The SEC will withdraw from the House Settlement and set its own rev share with very strict cheating rules. The SEC cap will be higher than the other conferences. 4 pods:
Pod 1 — Texas / Southwest
Texas
Texas A&M
Oklahoma
Arkansas
Missouri
LSU
Pod 2 — Deep South
Alabama
Auburn
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
Pod 3 — Lower Atlantic
Florida
Florida State
Miami
Georgia
South Carolina
Clemson
Pod 4 — Upper South / Appalachia
North Carolina
NC State
Georgia Tech
Virginia Tech
Louisville
Kentucky
Will the conferences have a playoff with each champion represented? IDK
My prediction: There will be a system like the old Bowl Alliance that matches the best teams across the conferences to determine a champion.
Pod 1 — Texas / Southwest
Texas
Texas A&M
Oklahoma
Arkansas
Missouri
LSU
Pod 2 — Deep South
Alabama
Auburn
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
Pod 3 — Lower Atlantic
Florida
Florida State
Miami
Georgia
South Carolina
Clemson
Pod 4 — Upper South / Appalachia
North Carolina
NC State
Georgia Tech
Virginia Tech
Louisville
Kentucky
Will the conferences have a playoff with each champion represented? IDK
My prediction: There will be a system like the old Bowl Alliance that matches the best teams across the conferences to determine a champion.
This post was edited on 4/9/26 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 4/9/26 at 12:02 pm to 2300_Nueces
B10
Pod 1 — Pacific
USC
UCLA
Oregon
Washington
Stanford
Cal
Pod 2 — Upper Midwest
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Iowa
Nebraska
Illinois
Northwestern
Pod 3 — Great Lakes
Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State
Indiana
Purdue
Notre Dame
Pod 4 — Atlantic
Penn State
Maryland
Rutgers
Virginia
Duke
Pitt
B12
Pod 1 — West
Arizona
Arizona State
Utah
BYU
Boise State
San Diego State
Pod 2 — Plains
Colorado
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
Cincinnati
Pod 3 — Texas / South
Baylor
Houston
TCU
Texas Tech
SMU
Memphis
Pod 4 — East
UCF
West Virginia
UConn
Syracuse
Boston College
Wake Forest
Pod 1 — Pacific
USC
UCLA
Oregon
Washington
Stanford
Cal
Pod 2 — Upper Midwest
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Iowa
Nebraska
Illinois
Northwestern
Pod 3 — Great Lakes
Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State
Indiana
Purdue
Notre Dame
Pod 4 — Atlantic
Penn State
Maryland
Rutgers
Virginia
Duke
Pitt
B12
Pod 1 — West
Arizona
Arizona State
Utah
BYU
Boise State
San Diego State
Pod 2 — Plains
Colorado
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
Cincinnati
Pod 3 — Texas / South
Baylor
Houston
TCU
Texas Tech
SMU
Memphis
Pod 4 — East
UCF
West Virginia
UConn
Syracuse
Boston College
Wake Forest
Posted on 4/9/26 at 12:49 pm to BurgTiger
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NIL has shrunk the advantage but it’s still a strong SEC advantage.
How is NIL any sort of SEC advantage? SEC schools are poor compared to the Big Ten and even some ACC schools.
Posted on 4/9/26 at 3:42 pm to Lgrnwd
It’s really not even NIL. It’s the portal.
Posted on 4/9/26 at 9:33 pm to D3Fan
The last time I checked there were 7 rounds.
Posted on 4/9/26 at 9:43 pm to LSU Patrick
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As long as LSU is competitive
Elaborate on the meaning of competitive! Do you mean make the playoffs and lose in round 1?
Posted on 4/10/26 at 12:28 am to BurgTiger
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The last time I checked there were 7 rounds.
So the Big Ten crushes the SEC in the first round but it'll be fine if the SEC has more players taken in the later rounds? By the way, you have no idea if that is going to happen. We'll see I guess. But the odds that the SEC makes it all up by having a lot more players taken in rounds 5-7 is far from a given.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 3:13 am to Lgrnwd
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How do southern schools counter this?
Texas and Aggy always talk about being rich... still waiting on proof.
You'd assume they would have been dominating CFB since NIL started.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 4:44 am to D3Fan
NIL began in July 2021.
From the 2022 draft to present the SEC (with less teams mind you) has had 265 players drafted vs B10 222 and the ACC 126.
My main point is supported by the evidence - the NIL has not neutered the SEC in its overall talent depth vs the other conferences. The SEC still has the most talent, their lack of success is primarily coach related in the big 2.
From the 2022 draft to present the SEC (with less teams mind you) has had 265 players drafted vs B10 222 and the ACC 126.
My main point is supported by the evidence - the NIL has not neutered the SEC in its overall talent depth vs the other conferences. The SEC still has the most talent, their lack of success is primarily coach related in the big 2.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 10:54 am to BurgTiger
SEC fans love to bring up the NFL when they aren’t winning. The NFL is not college football. Who cares at all about the NFL on a college board? I don’t care how many players get drafted from my team nor my conference. Once they take off my schools jersey I don’t care what they do the next day with their lives.
The simple proof that the BIG wasn’t paying on par as the SEC during the bagman era is that the BIG didn’t win. That’s the proof. Sure, Ohio St, Michigan, and a couple others like Mich St were half assing the bagman game, but more than half the SES was all in which is why you had multiple teams win Natties. - Tennessee, LSU, Auburn, Bama, UGA, FL. That’s the proof - who won.
Now that the BIG and others can openly pay the results are speaking - the BIG and others are winning, That freaking Indiana and Miami (a lowly ACC school) just whipped Bama and all other SEC teams in their way proves it all. And this idea that its coaching is laughable and just another SEC fan excuse for losing. Was Chizik some genius? Or Orgeron? Cristobal is not a great coach by any means but the man knows how to buy players which is what it takes.
Words mean nothing - look at results.
The simple proof that the BIG wasn’t paying on par as the SEC during the bagman era is that the BIG didn’t win. That’s the proof. Sure, Ohio St, Michigan, and a couple others like Mich St were half assing the bagman game, but more than half the SES was all in which is why you had multiple teams win Natties. - Tennessee, LSU, Auburn, Bama, UGA, FL. That’s the proof - who won.
Now that the BIG and others can openly pay the results are speaking - the BIG and others are winning, That freaking Indiana and Miami (a lowly ACC school) just whipped Bama and all other SEC teams in their way proves it all. And this idea that its coaching is laughable and just another SEC fan excuse for losing. Was Chizik some genius? Or Orgeron? Cristobal is not a great coach by any means but the man knows how to buy players which is what it takes.
Words mean nothing - look at results.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 1:26 pm to BurgTiger
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NIL began in July 2021.
From the 2022 draft to present the SEC (with less teams mind you) has had 265 players drafted vs B10 222 and the ACC 126.
My main point is supported by the evidence - the NIL has not neutered the SEC in its overall talent depth vs the other conferences. The SEC still has the most talent, their lack of success is primarily coach related in the big 2.
So many flaws in this. Clearly NIL in 2024-26 is different from NIL in 2021. You have to look at the most recent NFL draft data. The Big Ten will crush the SEC in high draft picks this year. So you can't argue the talent is the same.
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