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re: nick saban's quote on college football playoffs
Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:18 am to AUCE05
Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:18 am to AUCE05
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I can't take CFB serious until they implement a conference champion metric. Teams winning a championship without even winning their division is hilarious.
How does this fix things? All conferences, and divisions are not created equal. Not even comparing SOS or strength of teams, I'm talking about # of teams per conference, # of conference games, # of divisions and/or # teams per division and tie breaker rules.
Until this is uniform conference champs should not be mandatory.
This post was edited on 5/30/18 at 10:19 am
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Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:19 am to Tuscaloosa
Sure. MLB allows the wild card team to skip play in games, head straight to the playoffs for a chance at the world series.
ETA:
You divisional winning teams scrap it out, and us wild card teams will take the winner.
ETA:
You divisional winning teams scrap it out, and us wild card teams will take the winner.
This post was edited on 5/30/18 at 10:26 am
Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:20 am to Gustave
quote:They need to say the conference champ game is optional, or that a team can only go up in rankings by playing in it
How does this fix things? All conferences, and divisions are not created equal. Not even comparing SOS or strength of teams, I'm talking about # of teams per conference, # of conference games, # of divisions and/or # teams per division and tie breaker rules.
Until this is uniform conference champs should not be mandatory.
Having a team fall because they played an extra game is illogical.
Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:21 am to AUCE05
quote:Imagine this
Sure. MLB allows the wild card team to skip play in games, head straight to the playoffs for a chance at the world series.
Cubs win NL central
They get to play in a super fun extra game
By losing the extra game, the cards are now allowed to take their place in the playoffs
Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:21 am to Jon Ham
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No it’s not, especially in CFB where divisional opponents don’t get home and home games each year and where cross-divisional matchups can have a wide range of difficulty.
This is the main problem. Only division SEC games should count towards division standings, IMO. That way each team in the West is compared by playing the exact same teams. Permanent cross-divisional matchups can be imbalanced as it is, but the rotating matchups can make it even worse.
For example, being in the East and drawing both LSU and AU in the same year is a huge disadvantage to say drawing Ole Miss and Arkansas. Or being in the West and pulling Mizzou and Tennessee is a much easier draw than pulling UGA and UF.
Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:22 am to lsupride87
Just an odd system.
Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:25 am to Tuscaloosa
quote:Also, name a single sport besides college football where a division winner doesnt make the playoffs, but another team in the division does?
Doesn’t this happen pretty frequently in every single sport?
That is impossible in any pro sport
Its possible I suppose in NCAAB, but I would venture to say it hasnt happened
Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:26 am to lsupride87
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Imagine this Cubs win NL central They get to play in a super fun extra game By losing the extra game, the cards are now allowed to take their place in the playoffs
I get what your saying and mostly agree. But until the NCAA is restructured conference champs doesn't need to be mandatory. I would the SEC to do away with divisions and go to a 9 game schedule + 1P5.
But the SEC just having 2 teams in the NC game again, I doubt anything will be changing anytime soon.
Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:27 am to Gustave
quote:Thats fine
ut until the NCAA is restructured conference champs doesn't need to be mandatory.
But a team should not be able to fall below a team in their own division due to playing the extra game
That breaks any and all logic
Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:29 am to lsupride87
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Also, name a single sport besides college football where a division winner doesnt make the playoffs, but another team in the division does?
You can't really compare other sports. Most have uniform conference/divisions/tiebreakers across the board, except the one you mentioned, NCAAM.
Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:30 am to Gustave
quote:Well I only did that because Tuscaloosa did
You can't really compare other sports
Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:31 am to lsupride87
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That's fine But a team should not be able to fall below a team in their own division due to playing the extra game That breaks any and all logic
Auburn also had 2 loses before the SEC champ game, 1 that didn't matter to the SEC, but comes into play for the CFP.
In MLB Bama would still have the the better win % and would have been higher on the standings than Auburn.
CFB is a shite show of rankings but that's also part of why everyone watches.
This post was edited on 5/30/18 at 10:32 am
Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:32 am to idlewatcher
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"If you don't win your conference, why should you be rewarded with a chance at a title?"
Care to provide a link to that quote?
This post was edited on 5/30/18 at 10:32 am
Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:32 am to AUCE05
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I can't take CFB serious until they implement a conference champion metric. Teams winning a championship without even winning their division is hilarious.
Happens a lot in college basketball and baseball...do you not take those serious as well? Why should it matter only in football?
Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:33 am to Gustave
quote:Great
Auburn also had 2 loses before the SEC champ game, 1 that didn't matter to the SEC, but comes into play for the CFP.
Then the committee should have kept them behind bama going into the SEC champ game
Once the committee put them in front of Bama, AU should not have fallen for playing an extra game due to them being DIVISION CHAMPS over Bama
Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:34 am to lsupride87
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Loses last game
Doesnt even make conference title game
Makes statement like this
Guy is classic
He's just looking out for others. This isn't about him. Saban is magnanimous if nothing else.
Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:34 am to OldPete
quote:In those sports you have seen a second place division team make the playoffs while the division champ doesnt?
Happens a lot in college basketball and baseball
Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:34 am to OldPete
Play in college basketball teams are required to play more games to advance in the tourney. The #16 team in the south region doesn't get to set the first few days out while 1 and 2 battle it out.
ETA
An even better comparison is baseball. How stupid would the SEC baseball tourney be if UF, Arky, Ole Miss, and LSU had to play first, then the play in teams get winners?
ETA
An even better comparison is baseball. How stupid would the SEC baseball tourney be if UF, Arky, Ole Miss, and LSU had to play first, then the play in teams get winners?
This post was edited on 5/30/18 at 10:38 am
Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:38 am to lsupride87
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Congrats
In 2011, 2012, and 2017 yall lost in the month of November and still made the playoffs/title game
Look I agree with Saban in theory, but the truth is that theory applies to most schools but not Bama apparantly
That is why it is ironic coming from him
Was he referring to you only Bama?
Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:39 am to lsupride87
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Once the committee put them in front of Bama, AU should not have fallen for playing an extra game due to them being DIVISION CHAMPS over Bama
I don't disagree but part of the bump was because the lead the division, which ended up not mattering.
It's a shite show, and they select what they think are the "best 4 teams" based on their criteria. But muh conference champs.
Who do you think should have been chosen? OSU or USC?
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