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re: Nick Saban Wants To See More Parity In College Football

Posted on 5/18/22 at 12:15 pm to
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 5/18/22 at 12:15 pm to
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This is the same Nick Saban that once recruited 4 of like the top 50 running backs in the country knowing full well all of them wouldn’t get touches -
He don’t give a Fk about parity.

LOL

Thank You!

I love the guy to death, but STFU with this horseshite Coach.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 5/18/22 at 12:21 pm to
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Nick Saban Wants To See More Parity
Here you go, Nick.



Oops, "parity." "R-I," not "N." My bad.
This post was edited on 5/18/22 at 12:22 pm
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 5/18/22 at 12:21 pm to
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What about this statement do people not understand or believe?

I don't believe this:
"college football has always had parity"

If that's the case, why did Saban leave MSU?
Posted by coachcrisp
pensacola, fl
Member since Jun 2012
30600 posts
Posted on 5/18/22 at 12:24 pm to
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NIL is a real game changer for some programs - Texas, Oregon, TAMU, USC, and Miami. Bama should always be competitive but they don’t have the resources and NIL$ to compete with TOTUM long-term…
I think that this is what Saban was referring to. As you said, Alabama will be fine, but the huge majority of the other schools will be at a disadvantage..... and some of the clowns around here are running Saban down over his statement.
Posted by coachcrisp
pensacola, fl
Member since Jun 2012
30600 posts
Posted on 5/18/22 at 12:34 pm to
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I don't believe this:
"college football has always had parity"

If that's the case, why did Saban leave MSU?
"The Los Angeles Times reported Saban made $697,330 while with the Spartans before making $1.2 million per year with LSU."
Is that a good enough reason?
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 5/18/22 at 12:45 pm to
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Is that a good enough reason?

That's a fine reason.

Also...

Saban was trying to get away from having to compete against another big in state school for recruits.

Saban was also looking to go to a school that had lower academic standards.

None of that indicates parity. Indeed, it shows a lack of parity.

So Saban left MSU due to a lack of parity, so when he says, "college football has always had parity", I don't believe him. I don't think he even believes himself.
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
30264 posts
Posted on 5/18/22 at 12:53 pm to
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NIL is a real game changer for some programs - Texas, Oregon, TAMU, USC, and Miami. Bama should always be competitive but they don’t have the resources and NIL$ to compete with TOTUM long-term…


Alabama will be fine, can you say the same for Auburn?

I'd hate like hell to be a middle of the pack program with the wide open portal + NIL + Texas/Oklahoma joining the SEC.
Posted by coachcrisp
pensacola, fl
Member since Jun 2012
30600 posts
Posted on 5/18/22 at 1:33 pm to
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Saban was trying to get away from having to compete against another big in state school for recruits.So he came to Alabama....with Auburn just down the road, and Miss. St 80 miles from Tuscaloosa?

Saban was also looking to go to a school that had lower academic standards. C'mon, man! Academic standards for all Big-10 schools are nearly the same, with little difference from SEC schools. Hell, most Vandy football players actually go to Peabody in Nashville!

None of that indicates parity. Indeed, it shows a lack of parity. See below

So Saban left MSU due to a lack of parity, so when he says, "college football has always had parity", I don't believe him. I don't think he even believes himself.


Most simple example of parity that I can come up with:
You're sitting across from an Honors student in your math class.
You both have the same teacher, are taught the same material, and have the same time and tools to study from, and take the same tests. You make a C in the class, and the Honors student made an A.

Now was there parity regarding the entire experience, or not?
Parity means that everyone gets the same chance, not everyone should automatically receive the same grade.....and the rules should be the same for all schools, BUT what they do under those rules is determined by...THEM!
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 5/18/22 at 2:22 pm to
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So he came to Alabama

He didn't leave MSU to go to Alabama.
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Academic standards for all Big-10 schools are nearly the same

There's no question that in 2000 when Saban left MSU to go to LSU, LSU's academic standards were lower than MSU's.
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Parity means that everyone gets the same chance

MSU didn't get the same chance to compete with LSU.

As a matter of fact, Notre Dame doesn't get the same chance to compete with LSU, that's why Kelly came to LSU.
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BUT what they do under those rules is determined by...THEM!


That's an oversimplification. You can't expect a university to give up membership in the AAU just to recruit football players. Remember, to the rest of the country, these are institutions of higher learning we're talking about, not just an NFL farm league.
Posted by coachcrisp
pensacola, fl
Member since Jun 2012
30600 posts
Posted on 5/18/22 at 2:52 pm to
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So he came to Alabama

He didn't leave MSU to go to Alabama.That's not the point. The fact that he signed with Alabama is indicative of how little concern he had for "in-state rivals.
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Academic standards for all Big-10 schools are nearly the same

There's no question that in 2000 when Saban left MSU to go to LSU, LSU's academic standards were lower than MSU's. The question was and remains that there's little difference in the difficulty of getting athletes into the schools.
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Parity means that everyone gets the same chance

MSU didn't get the same chance to compete with LSU.Yes they did.

As a matter of fact, Notre Dame doesn't get the same chance to compete with LSU, that's why Kelly came to LSU. Notre Dame is a private school (like Vandy), and voluntarily increases enrollment qualifications. It's their prerogative!
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BUT what they do under those rules is determined by...THEM!

That's an oversimplification. You can't expect a university to give up membership in the AAU just to recruit football players. Remember, to the rest of the country, these are institutions of higher learning we're talking about, not just an NFL farm league.BINGO! and we've arrived at the true meaning of parity! THEY DO,BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO!

I rest my case.
Posted by Lsuhoohoo
Member since Sep 2007
94670 posts
Posted on 5/18/22 at 2:59 pm to
"I wish there was more income equality" ~Elon Musk

Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 5/18/22 at 5:12 pm to
Nick Saban left MSU because he didn't have the same advantages he had at LSU. There was not parity then.

I'm sorry you agree with Nick Saban that there's always been parity, but there just hasn't. Nick is just making shite up in his head.
Posted by TouchdownTony
Central Alabama
Member since Apr 2016
9703 posts
Posted on 5/18/22 at 6:54 pm to
He’s saying beating everybody down has gotten old. How bad is that??
Posted by PassingThrough
Member since Sep 2021
2622 posts
Posted on 5/18/22 at 7:37 pm to
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"One of the things I'd like to see us be able to work back to is everything in college football has always had parity," Saban said. "Same scholarships, same academic support, healthcare, whatever it is. I don't think we have that balance right now, which can affect the parity of college football and college athletics as a whole."


Talk about lack of self awareness. It has been almost a decade since I really bothered to keep up, but at least around early 2010s he was oversigning every year by huge amounts, utilizing Bryant scholarships and gray shirts and anything else he could think of, kicking to the curb players who had done nothing wrong other than be less talented at football than he and his recruiters has thought they would be or had the audacity to be badly injured. Now let's talk about how he circumvented the NCAA coach rules- how many analysts did he employ, how many of those just happened to be around in offseason when players were doing "voluntary" workouts or drills and the NCAA severely limited hours named coaches could be around players? And he was able to do this because his administration and boosters were ALL IN.

People talk about Kirby changing UGA, but he knew better than anyone that what needed to change at Georgia was an administration and donor base who would be ALL IN for football, and he got his wish.

One does have to laugh a bit. Saban and all coaches like him, in their complete lack of regard for the NCAA and its attempts to maintain parity via regulation, opened the door for the student athletes to win unprecedented benefits limiting a lot of control coaches consider essential to maintaining long lasting elite performance. Not to mention they are going to burn everyone out with non-stop recruiting, even after a player has signed and matriculated at a school.

While there will still be haves and have-nots, I think rather than true dynasties, there will be a period of boom-bust cycles for the schools that want to play in the deep end. Ironically, I do wonder if this will eventually affect upper end coach salaries because even the best coaches will find it hard to maintain excellence when their best players have financial independence and can leave without spending a year in Purgatory.
Posted by AUreo
Member since Jul 2021
2049 posts
Posted on 5/20/22 at 2:06 pm to
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Alabama will be fine, can you say the same for Auburn?

I'd hate like hell to be a middle of the pack program with the wide open portal + NIL + Texas/Oklahoma joining the SEC.


Auburn should join the ACC IMO - it's a better fit, academically and athletically (Basketball). However, there are some requirements: The ACC should add Notre Dame and make sure that programs like Miami, Clemson, FSU, etc wouldn't replace AU in the SEC. Also, Iron Bowl should be protected, of course.

Currently, SEC TV money is superior to ACC TV money. However, this might change because Big Tech companies will start negotiating individual deals with many schools in the future. This is still a few years away, so the ACC move wouldn't happen right away, maybe around 2030.
This post was edited on 5/20/22 at 2:09 pm
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