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re: Nick Saban pushes for players to 'unionize,' has 'no problem' with athletes being paid
Posted on 7/2/23 at 10:14 pm to lsusteve1
Posted on 7/2/23 at 10:14 pm to lsusteve1
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He's perfectly OK when Bama was the standard.
Bama signed one of the greatest classes of all time last cycle. Saban is just, like always, commenting on the general decline of the sport.
Posted on 7/2/23 at 10:15 pm to TigerBeight
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College football died the day James Meredith enrolled at Ole Miss. Everything since then is just more salt in the wound.
Wtf
Posted on 7/2/23 at 11:07 pm to Anand0925
quote:He didn’t mind as long as it was tilted in his favor.
You think there is disparity right now in college football? There's going to be more in the future."
Posted on 7/2/23 at 11:45 pm to Anand0925
He's not wrong.
College sports are over.
As an old fricker, I hate it. But, as as old fricker, I'm smart enough to see where things are.
College sports are over.
As an old fricker, I hate it. But, as as old fricker, I'm smart enough to see where things are.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 8:40 am to Anand0925
Nick knows anything like “unionizing” will likely never happen until he is done coaching. Therefore he can be for it. Much like he was for the nine game conference schedule when he knew it would never get adopted. Then when it was actually on the table and possible, not so much.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 9:06 am to LSUgrad88
Let’s stop pretending that Saban is at the forefront of NIL or that he’s driving change.
His comments always sound reactionary.
His comments always sound reactionary.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 9:19 am to AGGIES
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Let’s stop pretending that Saban is at the forefront of NIL or that he’s driving change. His comments always sound reactionary.
He’s consistently adapted while bitching about having to do so. The man knows self-preservation. People misunderstand the bitching as not wanting to adapt instead of, more accurately, having to do so and not caring for the ramifications of everyone else doing the same.
If your program doesn’t already have a mature or rapidly maturing NIL solution like Alabama and others, your school is fricked. He’s just being grumpy about what that means for college football as a man who started out at a smaller school like Kent State.
This post was edited on 7/3/23 at 9:21 am
Posted on 7/3/23 at 9:25 am to lsusteve1
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Saban & Bama are on a decline, we both know it. Accept it
You replied to a post about Alabama being elite at recruiting before and after NIL. To accept your premise with regard to recruiting is to deny objective reality.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 9:29 am to Anand0925
If you go to college and take classes you are a student. There are academic standards set in place at different universities…. Meaning the NCAA or any conference governing body can’t force a school to lower their standards just to gain athletes.
College sports were built on the same foundations of HS sports as clubs and amateur teams. Now that it has become something tied to big money through TV deals, merchandise sales, and large scale gambling we are at a crossroads.
Either keep it as an amateur sport that’s a club/privilege/opportunity earned from auditions and talent, or separate it all together from the schools and start an amateur league.
If the student athletes unionize then it will open a can of worms like never seen from other organizations on campuses which in turn will alter the identity of a student on scholarship VS one who is not. This is about money, control, and power over a game which has now become more important than academics on some University campuses.
The NCAA has sat and done nothing since NIL was instituted and not come up with creative ways to allow students to participate while also containing pay for play. If they restricted the transfer portal then that would at least start some type of cap.
The problem is that we as a culture and nation lowered our standards for education by placing winning a football game over getting a QUALITY degree. Because we have given football and other popular sports so much money and power, we are now discussing allowing sports to alter the way we handle all scholarships in academia. If you don’t see that this would happen then you are blind and don’t understand how this will work.
Getting the federal government involved is one of the dumbest things to do ever. They already fricked up student loans when they federalized them back in 2007. Since then college tuition has skyrocketed because they can charge whatever the frick they want and the federal government wrote the checks. You do NOT want Congress or anyone from DC involved in this. The NCAA should do its job or dissolve. Let the conferences take over and set new guidelines across the board that ensure students can’t just jump teams each year due to being bought. frick the NCAA and frick DC.
College sports were built on the same foundations of HS sports as clubs and amateur teams. Now that it has become something tied to big money through TV deals, merchandise sales, and large scale gambling we are at a crossroads.
Either keep it as an amateur sport that’s a club/privilege/opportunity earned from auditions and talent, or separate it all together from the schools and start an amateur league.
If the student athletes unionize then it will open a can of worms like never seen from other organizations on campuses which in turn will alter the identity of a student on scholarship VS one who is not. This is about money, control, and power over a game which has now become more important than academics on some University campuses.
The NCAA has sat and done nothing since NIL was instituted and not come up with creative ways to allow students to participate while also containing pay for play. If they restricted the transfer portal then that would at least start some type of cap.
The problem is that we as a culture and nation lowered our standards for education by placing winning a football game over getting a QUALITY degree. Because we have given football and other popular sports so much money and power, we are now discussing allowing sports to alter the way we handle all scholarships in academia. If you don’t see that this would happen then you are blind and don’t understand how this will work.
Getting the federal government involved is one of the dumbest things to do ever. They already fricked up student loans when they federalized them back in 2007. Since then college tuition has skyrocketed because they can charge whatever the frick they want and the federal government wrote the checks. You do NOT want Congress or anyone from DC involved in this. The NCAA should do its job or dissolve. Let the conferences take over and set new guidelines across the board that ensure students can’t just jump teams each year due to being bought. frick the NCAA and frick DC.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 9:33 am to Diego Ricardo
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He’s consistently adapted while bitching about having to do so
That’s accurate
Posted on 7/3/23 at 9:48 am to ucbearcats
quote:The world they sang about was a more simple one. But their lyrics no longer make sense here in 1984
I have not heard Pete Seeger in years. I remember a school teacher use to sing us his songs as she played along with his record. Woody Guthrie was another one she would play along with. I may have to look them up and take a drive down memory lane.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 9:59 am to Capn_Bevo
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The world they sang about was a more simple one. But their lyrics no longer make sense here in 1984
The BLM marches were for the same reason Martin Luther King was marching in the 60s. Nothing new under the sun Junior.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 10:05 am to Anand0925
Little Hitler thinks he has control of the entire NCAA. SOS. Sick of Saban and his woke commie agenda! GTFO
Posted on 7/3/23 at 10:29 am to LetItBe
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What the new, more professionalized version of college football really needs is a draft, salary cap and restricted free agency, just like all the other pro sports. That'll bring more parity to the sport.
So lemme get this straight... yer gonna DRAFT an 18 y/o kid to a university... a kid who wants to be an engineer drafted by say Alabama, instead of Auburn which has a markedly better engineering program in virtually every field...
That's one of the dumbest frickin things I've read in a while. Do I believe EVERY student whom Nick or Kirby recruit fits perfectly at the University? Nope. But it's the choice they made, hopefully with the help of family, for their college opportunities.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 10:37 am to Hback
Ha, good one. Question, is that you in the avatar??
Posted on 7/3/23 at 11:26 am to Anand0925
All workers should unionize
Posted on 7/3/23 at 11:54 am to Anand0925
At this point most should agree that taking financial accountability in a mature logical way is nary impossible. The NIL and magic portal are more rightly defined as a feeding frenzy. Kids still have zero say in what they are asked to do.
How about negotiating with the players in their own CBA about such stuff as, how much money does a player make when a school sells their name on the back of a jersey? How long should practices be and how many? How do the players feel about how long the summer session is and how many times can you be with a coach? How often does a player get to travel through the magic portal? How long is a player committed to staying with a football program before transferring?
Truth is we are past the old concept that these guys are just here for a diploma. This is a billion-dollar business and players are the main assets. They should have a say as employees. Coach Saban is right. If the grownups can only throw cold hard cash, and greed at these problems, let the kids be totally invested and see what they can do in a CBA.
How about negotiating with the players in their own CBA about such stuff as, how much money does a player make when a school sells their name on the back of a jersey? How long should practices be and how many? How do the players feel about how long the summer session is and how many times can you be with a coach? How often does a player get to travel through the magic portal? How long is a player committed to staying with a football program before transferring?
Truth is we are past the old concept that these guys are just here for a diploma. This is a billion-dollar business and players are the main assets. They should have a say as employees. Coach Saban is right. If the grownups can only throw cold hard cash, and greed at these problems, let the kids be totally invested and see what they can do in a CBA.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 11:56 am to Old Hellen Yeller
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Bama signed one of the greatest classes of all time last cycle. Saban is just, like always, commenting on the general decline of the sport.
That's BS..more like Saban injecting his influence and power over anything that he cant control.
This post was edited on 7/3/23 at 11:59 am
Posted on 7/3/23 at 11:57 am to Anand0925
Leadership makes billions off of labor; shares none of it. Fans mad at labor for wanting an equal share.
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