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re: "Nick Saban no fan of no-huddle offenses, asks 'Is this what we want football to be?'"
Posted on 5/3/19 at 1:07 pm to cas4t
Posted on 5/3/19 at 1:07 pm to cas4t
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correct
but the point is that maybe don't make statements like quote:'Is this what we want football to be?'"
and then do that exact thing that you seem to abhor
He asked the question. College football answered. He may not have liked the answer and may not prefer the style (maybe even "abhors" it), but he isn't paid millions a year to do what he prefers/likes. He is paid to win.
He determined the best way to keep winning was to take advantage of what others were taking advantage of and just do it better than them.
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Posted on 5/3/19 at 1:20 pm to MykTide
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Yep. Because he didn't really care for the way football was changing, he should have just sat back and let offenses pass him by. Like Les.
you misunderstand
my point isn't that he shouldn't have adapted
it's that he shouldn't have made the statement when it was obvious he was going to have to adapt
now we know why he doesn't celebrate. A TD on a no huddle play irks him, even when it's his team
This post was edited on 5/3/19 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 5/3/19 at 1:22 pm to cas4t
I'd still argue he never has adapted the specific thing he was talking about there and hated so much, but to each his own.
Posted on 5/3/19 at 1:22 pm to SummerOfGeorge
please elaborate
Posted on 5/3/19 at 1:23 pm to cas4t
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"they're snapping the ball as fast as you can goand you look out there and all your players are walking around and can't even get lined up. That's when guys have a much greater chance of getting hurt when they're not ready to play
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Personally, I think Saban was specifically talking about the craze at that exact 2012-2014 period which was fastball offense that Freeze, Malzahn and Sumlin ran for periods of time (all adjusted from it, interestingly enough).
What Saban hated was sprinting to the line and basically trying to get plays off ASAP and not allow defenses to set or get positioned (I think he just didn't like it, he rarely made the injury argument and pretty quickly after this interview never made it again).
On the flip side, I think he recognised (like others in the NFL and College) how effective a simple no huddle could be in terms of matchups and limiting the defense personnel wise.
So, he brought Kiffin in with the singular mission to mesh his West Coast offense with a no huddle, matchup specific system. And that's what Kiffin did.
JMHO
I also don't think those specific offenses even exist anymore. They ran their course, coaches picked their bones for things, but the days of sprinting to the line like a basketball fast break are over. Even the eras original guys don't do that much anymore (Freeze, Gus, Chip, Sumlin).
What stuck around was the multiple option RPO stuff and the no-huddle (both of which we use), but the sprint to the line stuff is almost all gone in 2019.
This post was edited on 5/3/19 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 5/3/19 at 1:36 pm to texag7
You’re such a cuck
Posted on 5/3/19 at 1:39 pm to Captain Crown
Cool
Posted on 5/3/19 at 1:39 pm to SummerOfGeorge
fair enough
I don't have any Saban quotes in front of me to counter
I do remember that one in particular, though. But I will say, there shouldn't be a rule stopping a team from sprinting to the LOS. The saints do this sometimes to catch a defense off guard and I love it. They sometimes do it and only do a hard count to draw a player offsides. Doing this forces the defense to be more discipline, which is fine by me.
I don't have any Saban quotes in front of me to counter
I do remember that one in particular, though. But I will say, there shouldn't be a rule stopping a team from sprinting to the LOS. The saints do this sometimes to catch a defense off guard and I love it. They sometimes do it and only do a hard count to draw a player offsides. Doing this forces the defense to be more discipline, which is fine by me.
This post was edited on 5/3/19 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 5/3/19 at 1:52 pm to cas4t
Yea I don't have any problems with it either strategically. It's a very useful tool.
I don't like it as a permanent system of offense much, but it's gone as that now so there isn't much to argue about it. Felt like the football version of the Rockets.
I don't like it as a permanent system of offense much, but it's gone as that now so there isn't much to argue about it. Felt like the football version of the Rockets.
This post was edited on 5/3/19 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 5/3/19 at 1:54 pm to cas4t
Saban does what’s required.
Win some, lose some.
Win some, lose some.
Posted on 5/3/19 at 1:59 pm to cas4t
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when it was obvious he was going to have to adapt
That's not really true. That hurry-up style of play was in its infancy at the time. In fact there was a rule change on defensive substitutions in 2014.
Ultimately, he was on the losing side of the argument and did end up having to adapt, but I wouldn't say it was 'obvious' at the time. There was debate hence his quote
This post was edited on 5/3/19 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 5/3/19 at 2:08 pm to The_Ultimate_Warrior
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"Nick Saban no fan of no-huddle offenses, asks 'Is this what we want football to be?'"
And you said, "yes", so he said, "Well, get ready then."
I told y'all in 2012 when he made that statement that this would happen.
Posted on 5/3/19 at 2:11 pm to The_Ultimate_Warrior
1. no huddle does suck
2. He adapted to it because there was no other option
2. He adapted to it because there was no other option
This post was edited on 5/3/19 at 7:01 pm
Posted on 5/3/19 at 3:29 pm to The_Ultimate_Warrior
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Is Nick Saban a hypocrite?
Yes. He played his qb hurt most of the season.
Posted on 5/3/19 at 3:43 pm to I Bleed Garnet
Well said!
Posted on 5/3/19 at 3:47 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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I also don't think those specific offenses even exist anymore. They ran their course, coaches picked their bones for things, but the days of sprinting to the line like a basketball fast break are over. Even the eras original guys don't do that much anymore (Freeze, Gus, Chip, Sumlin).
I believe they still exist. They just aren't in our own back yard like they used to be in the SEC, so we don't necessarily notice them as much. UCLA and Arizona ranked in the Top 25 in TOP/Play last season.
However, I think those style of offenses ARE less effective compared to what they once were.
Now we see offenses seeking to become more explosive rather than grind out a 14-play drive in 2:15 of game time.
Last season alone we had 6 Power 5 teams average over 7.0+ yards per play. From 2009-2012 we had 10 TOTAL Power 5 teams top that mark.
IMO this makes for a FAR MORE entertaining brand of football than watching a team gain 3 yards, sprint to the LOS, snap it in 18 seconds just to gain another 2 yards.
This post was edited on 5/3/19 at 4:04 pm
Posted on 5/3/19 at 4:06 pm to The_Ultimate_Warrior
quote:Hell, Saban was kicking LSUs arse before he said and after he said it. From LSU perspective, what difference does it make?
Now, my play-by-play numbers only go back so far, but leading up to those comments (and through 2012) Alabama huddled over 90% of the time under Saban.
Since then, from 2013-present, Alabama’s offense has huddled fewer than 50% of the time, peaking in 2017 when they huddled right at 30% of the time.
So what says the rant? Is Nick Saban a hypocrite? Does he not care about the safety of players and the fairness for defenses anymore? Or is this just an example of “if you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em?”
Saban spoke out what he felt and probably still feels, but he's not gonna sit back and let other teams take advantage of him. He simply went to it and started kicking everybody's asses with it...you know, kinda like he did before he started using it.
Posted on 5/3/19 at 4:08 pm to coachcrisp
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Saban was kicking LSUs arse before he said and after he said it
you got a point there, so at least as far as LSU goes, it's a moot point anyway
Posted on 5/3/19 at 4:31 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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I also don't think those specific offenses even exist anymore. They ran their course, coaches picked their bones for things, but the days of sprinting to the line like a basketball fast break are over. Even the eras original guys don't do that much anymore (Freeze, Gus, Chip, Sumlin).
What stuck around was the multiple option RPO stuff and the no-huddle (both of which we use), but the sprint to the line stuff is almost all gone in 2019.
I think the no-huddle and controlling the defensive substitutions is definitely a strategic advantage. The sprinting up to the line is more of a gimmick.
The RPOs/'packaged plays' are a by-product of using the same personnel and formations, which are required in that quick-snap (gimmick) type offense. I think coaches realized the versatility aspect was much more impactful than the pace or 'keeping the defense on its heels'
Posted on 5/3/19 at 4:48 pm to cas4t
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but the point is that maybe don't make statements like
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and then do that exact thing that you seem to abhor
Yeah dude, maybe Saban should have done that
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