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re: Nick Saban has had two full seasons to find an OC.
Posted on 2/3/23 at 8:31 am to SidewalkTiger
Posted on 2/3/23 at 8:31 am to SidewalkTiger
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Would rather Bobby Petrino over Tommy Rees TBH
No and that is silly. Bobby Petrine would be a cancer. This deal with him and Fisher is more likely to blow up than prove successful. He and Saban on the same sideline would be a disaster.
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Posted on 2/3/23 at 8:31 am to Pandy Fackler
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Nick Saban has had two full seasons to find an OC
Coaching searches don’t work like this… you have no clue who will be available 24 months from now… what new names could emerge or drop… it’s pointless to look that far out.
Posted on 2/3/23 at 8:33 am to diddlydawg7
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Michael Mayer, Ben Skowronwek, Chase Claypool, Chris Tyree, Karen Williams, St.Brown, Logan Diggs are all NFL/future NFL guys.
Chase Claypool and Equanimeous St Brown never played for Tommy Rees. Ben Skowronek literally transfered from Northwestern for 1 season (2020) and was a 7th round pick.
Chris Tyree, Kyren Williams and Logan Diggs are RBs.
Michael Mayer is a TE.
Ian Book was a 3-star who picked Notre Dame over Boise State.
So, again, Notre Dame under Rees did not have high level players at WR/QB.
This post was edited on 2/3/23 at 8:36 am
Posted on 2/3/23 at 8:33 am to diddlydawg7
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Buchner was very highly rated.
Michael Mayer, Ben Skowronwek, Chase Claypool, Chris Tyree, Karen Williams, St.Brown, Logan Diggs are all NFL/future NFL guys.
I never said they were worldbeaters, but comparing their talent to Illinois is one of the most laughable things I’ve ever read on here. I had to double check it was you who posted it because it was so unfathomably ridiculous and I expected better from you
It's odd that you're listing people that Rees didn't have in an attempt to prove that Rees did in fact have talent to work with.
Posted on 2/3/23 at 8:34 am to SidewalkTiger
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Would rather Bobby Petrino over Tommy Rees TBH
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Posted on 2/3/23 at 8:34 am to labamafan
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No and that is silly. Bobby Petrine would be a cancer. This deal with him and Fisher is more likely to blow up than prove successful. He and Saban on the same sideline would be a disaster.
I think it'd be more likely to work at Alabama than A&M.
Saban would give Petrino a lot more leeway to run the offense than Jimbo will.
Posted on 2/3/23 at 8:36 am to SidewalkTiger
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Would rather Bobby Petrino over Tommy Rees TBH
No, I think I'd take the guy who wouldn't cut my fricking throat at the first available opportunity.
Posted on 2/3/23 at 8:37 am to SummerOfGeorge
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They've signed ONE top 100 WR in the last 5 seasons. They've signed ONE top 100 QB in the last 5 seasons
Number of 4/5-star offensive players since 2020
Illinois- 10
Notre Dame- 47
I’m gonna go ahead and file this in my all time worst SECRant takes.
Posted on 2/3/23 at 8:39 am to diddlydawg7
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Number of 4/5-star offensive players since 2020
Illinois- 10
Notre Dame- 47
I’m gonna go ahead and file this in my all time worst SECRant takes.
You screwed up. It's fine, but at some point you gotta mature to "whoops I missed on that one".
Acting like you caught a big prize and then throwing out 2 guys that never played for the dude, a 7th round pick that transfered from one of the schools I said compared on talent and some guys who played irrelevant positions to what I said.
The discussion was clearly "WR/QB" talent because it was a broader discussion of explosive plays, which they lacked. They've signed almost no elite players at WR or QB in the last 5 seasons, while signing a bunch at TE/OL and some at RB.
It's ok to just say you made a whoopsie instead of throwing out Chase Claypool and ESB.
This post was edited on 2/3/23 at 8:41 am
Posted on 2/3/23 at 8:42 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Rees is a gamble. I dunno how he'll do. He's young and pretty inexperienced and he's had some ups and downs. We've hired like 4 of those types before and had pretty good success with them. So I'll wait and see before I decide we're looking at 8-4 seasons moving forward.
He's not a "gamble". He's a settle.
Posted on 2/3/23 at 8:42 am to Pandy Fackler
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He's not a "gamble". He's a settle.
Disagree, but we'll see.
Grantham is a settle. We know his ceiling and exactly what he is. I don't think we know those things with Rees.
This post was edited on 2/3/23 at 8:43 am
Posted on 2/3/23 at 8:43 am to SummerOfGeorge
quote:Bama hiring Grantham would be a PR disaster.
Hiring Grantham as sole DC would be a disaster.
But Grantham would be a better DC under Saban than under every offensive minded head coach that he worked for previously (richt, petrino, mullen).
But the PR would be a nightmare.
I'm probably alone on this island. But I think Pruitt was better under Saban than under every other head coach that he worked for (jimbo, richt, and himself)
This post was edited on 2/3/23 at 8:44 am
Posted on 2/3/23 at 8:45 am to meansonny
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But Grantham would be a better DC under Saban than under every offensive minded head coach that he worked for previously (richt, petrino, mullen)
Maybe. I think he pretty much is who he is at this point, and if you are hiring him you are hiring all of his stuff with him.
My guess is that if he's the guy it's a co-DC situation with the young kid from Southern Miss. That doesn't really make me feel any better but I'm guessing that's how it will be.
However, not sure we really have any idea what's going on at DC at this point.
This post was edited on 2/3/23 at 8:46 am
Posted on 2/3/23 at 8:45 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Disagree, but we'll see.
Grantham is a settle. We know his ceiling and exactly what he is. I don't think we know those things with Rees.
No. He's an act of utter desperation and abject failure.
Posted on 2/3/23 at 8:47 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Disagree, but we'll see.
Grantham is a settle. We know his ceiling and exactly what he is. I don't think we know those things with Rees.
Rees is more of a reach than a settle.
The benefit would be that he'll stick around at minimum for 2 years.
Posted on 2/3/23 at 8:49 am to SidewalkTiger
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Rees is more of a reach than a settle.
Rees is clearly a "I talked to people and watched film and have a vision of what I want us to do and I think you fit in with it" situation, IMHO. But there's certainly some risk there, clearly. I'm going to need to see it to get super comfortable with it (as if my comfort level matters at all). It's not a guarantee.
Grantham is just, vomit.
This post was edited on 2/3/23 at 8:50 am
Posted on 2/3/23 at 8:54 am to SummerOfGeorge
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So, again, Notre Dame under Rees did not have high level players at WR/QB.
But that’s not what you said.
You said comparable to Illinois
Illinois’s 4-star QB/WRs in 2022
Isaiah Williams (#121)
Brian Hightower (#154)
Tommy Devito (#327)
Notre Dame’s
Tyler Buchner (#73)
Deion Colzue (#102)
Lorenzo Styles (#115)
Tobias Merriwether (#121)
Braden Lenny (#215)
Avery Davis (#246)
Jayden Thomas (#326)
Steve Angeli (#365)
Yeah, looks real comparable
And this is all ignoring TEs, RBs, and OL, which for some reason I guess you decided don’t matter when determining what a OC has to work with.
Under Rees’ tenor, ND has consistently had top 10 offensive talent and has produced slightly above average offenses.
Crying about the WR talent when you have guys like Mayer and Tyree on your team is disingenuous.
Posted on 2/3/23 at 8:55 am to SummerOfGeorge
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However, not sure we really have any idea what's going on at DC at this point.
I don't watch Bama but maybe 1 game per year.
Is it saban's defense? Or the DC running it?
Granthams problem at Georgia was that he "cheated" to control the line of scrimmage. He didn't do it with technique or better players. He threw bodies at it. And it was great at beating a spread run game offense.
Unfortunately once a team had any vertical attack, the run defense went to shite as did the pass protection wasn't good.
When UGA controlled the line of scrimmage (often with 5 + 1), we dominated.
When Tyler bray is throwing downfield to cordarrelle Patterson, it was 478 yards of offense and 58 points.
This post was edited on 2/3/23 at 8:57 am
Posted on 2/3/23 at 8:55 am to SidewalkTiger
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It's odd that you're listing people that Rees didn't have in an attempt to prove that Rees did in fact have talent to work with.
What’s even more odd is that you didn’t realize my response was to George talking about the last 5 years
Posted on 2/3/23 at 8:57 am to diddlydawg7
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What’s even more odd is that you didn’t realize my response was to George talking about the last 5 years
SoG's original comment was:
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at best it turns out he really was held back by having Illinois/Iowa level talent at QB/WR.
You responded by listing players that Rees never coached, a quarterback that has barely played for him, and multiple positions outside of QB/WR.
Very odd response.
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