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re: NFL scouts don't have too much respect for Clemson HC Dabo Swinney; check this out...
Posted on 4/25/23 at 8:43 pm to DawgsLife
Posted on 4/25/23 at 8:43 pm to DawgsLife
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Why, I even heard one University even gave him carte blanche on a credit card one time, they trusted him so much.
Sounds like a nice recipe for hookers and blow
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Posted on 4/25/23 at 9:05 pm to Foy
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No. And no one does it.
Lol. Well that couldn't be more wrong.
The NFL scouts are pretty explicit that coaches give different levels of accurate information.
And you are obviously unaware that coaches share notes about play calls, strategies, personnel, and tells all the time.
Coaches' sons get along great with coaches' sons.
It is how one keeps getting better and doesn't stay stagnant.
Posted on 4/25/23 at 9:20 pm to JetDawg
Why is this a story? This is probably a Carolina Panthers scout (a team who has never drafted a Clemson Tiger).
Posted on 4/25/23 at 9:42 pm to JetDawg
scouts want the truth. It is a multi billion dollar industry and they do not expect a coach to run his players in the dirt, but do not lie while pumping sunshine,
Posted on 4/25/23 at 10:12 pm to Foy
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I get the idea but this isn't how it works. Saban and everyone else pumps up every player because there's no upside to doing the opposite.
Saban DOES NOT oversell his players to NFL Scouts.
I have heard Saban speak to clubs and writers three times, the first while he was at Michigan State and, he was very succinct that when HS coaches oversell their players to him, he no longer trusts them.
He doesn't do-it to NFL scouts because ALL major college HCs do not want it done to them by HS coaches.
That's the difference between successful HCs (and Scouts) and those who trust disingenuous coaches, on ANY level.
Saban wouldn't do it. He knows his player's physical skills, mental toughness, work ethic and abilities to overcome. That's what he sells ... he doesn't sell bullshite.
Saban, Spurrier, Richt, all of them are well known for telling Scouts, "kid had unmeasurable physical skills but ... don't touch him, he has bad character" (or bad work ethic or he's troubkle, he's a drunk, he's a liar, etc).
Dabo is an insurance salesman, a used car salesman, an embellishor ... and it is about to catch-up to him.
Posted on 4/26/23 at 1:07 pm to lastfan
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Sounds like a nice recipe for hookers and blow
I guess I'll never understand people wanting to take shots at other people's coaches. It's like they are clueless their coaches are not pure as the driven snow.
Posted on 4/26/23 at 1:30 pm to Funky Tide 8
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Sounds like Dabo is just wants the best for his players. If a scout is told something by Dabo and they believe it and don't do their homework then that's on them. It's not his job to scout for them.
You know nothing about Dabo do you. This has nothing to do with the players it's all about him. Pumping up the players, in his mind, is pumping him up as a Great coach and talent evaluator. Having to admit a players faults is damaging to his ego.
Posted on 4/26/23 at 4:11 pm to SummerOfGeorge
quote:I had a long conversation with Jim Haslett in the gym one day when he was scouting for Washington.
On the one hand, he is trying to help his players.
On the other hand, if you cry wolf over and over then when you actually do have a diamond in the rough kid who bloomed late nobody is going to believe it because you said that Kirk Herbstreit's kid would actually be a great #3 NFL WR the year before.
We started talking about him being at Alabama's Pro Day (mainly to look at Reuben Foster), and ended up talking about college coaches they deal with in the business. Although he didn't seem to personally like Coach Saban, he did say that he was one of the most trusted coaches when it came to sharing his evaluation of individual players. He said that if Saban told you something about a player, you could take it to the bank. He also said that it was a given that his players were some of the most well prepared for the NFL.
He seems like a nice guy...
Posted on 4/26/23 at 4:19 pm to coachcrisp
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given that his players were some of the most well prepared for the NFL.
Have heard the same from NFL folks. Most other schools were preferred for a certain position group (like Iowa TE’s). One lesser program they liked in regards to preparing guys for the League was Pitt.
Posted on 4/26/23 at 5:13 pm to JetDawg
Dabo had a flash, and then a little shoo-shoo, and that was it.
Clemson's done.
Clemson's done.
Posted on 4/26/23 at 5:19 pm to JetDawg
Are these the same scouts that love Richardson & Levis? They’re blaming their stupidity on coaches.
Posted on 4/27/23 at 8:57 am to JetDawg
Everyone been knew about Dabo this isn't new
Posted on 4/27/23 at 9:33 am to tylerdurden24
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On a micro scale, sure. But if a coach/program develops a reputation of being unreliable in their information pre-draft then it taints all players coming out for future classes. NFL teams are in the business of knowing who they’re investing in, both pros and cons. If you can’t be honest about who a kid is including their flaws then you’re doing everyone a disservice
I run into situations like this all the time at work. Sunshine pumpers are all over the place so you just adjust your filter and identify who at that organization will give you the best no shite assessments instead of the head guy. Talk to the position coaches or coordinators. Honestly they are typically the ones that spend the most time with the players so they are probably your best source of info anyways . Talk to other people around the program. When you meet with Dabo, you smile an nod your head.
Posted on 4/27/23 at 9:37 am to JetDawg
What is he supposed to say these guys suck??, SMH.
This post was edited on 4/27/23 at 9:45 am
Posted on 4/27/23 at 9:49 am to roll to victory
quote:Scouts will privately discuss a player with a coach. 95% of what they ask, they already believe that they know, but want verification. When they learn that the coach can be trusted, they'll believe random comments that coach makes to them about other aspects of the player.
What is he supposed to say these guys suck?, SMH
It's a benefit to the players for their coach to be trusted by the scouts.
Posted on 4/27/23 at 9:51 am to roll to victory
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What is he supposed to say these guys suck??, SMH
Are you serious, clark?
Posted on 4/27/23 at 10:20 am to meansonny
Clemson has one of the best cultures and environments in the country. Nothing wrong with hyping your players. I dont buy the 5th year senior part. A coach hyping his players, NO, really?? Really weak piece here and only one scouts opinion.
This post was edited on 4/27/23 at 10:27 am
Posted on 4/27/23 at 10:24 am to roll to victory
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Clemson has one of the best cults
You're all a bunch of inbred, sheep humping animal molesters that thought grabbing others players arse on TV was awesome. You're led by a fake egotistical joke and yes you are a cult. F*CK Dabo and all the tators
Posted on 4/27/23 at 12:07 pm to JetDawg
This article is useless. Coaches pump up their players to scouts because they don't want it getting out that they shite on their players. Coaches also have scouts with whom they have relationships and will tell those scouts the negatives because they know it won't get out. The scout quoted obviously doesn't have any type of relationship with Dabo and/or hasn't been scouting long.
Posted on 4/27/23 at 12:14 pm to JetDawg
quote:Don't really know nor care, but what if he is doing it as a recruiting ploy? The NFL scouts know he's FOS but a 17 year old that is considering Clemson might see it as, dang!, he can get me into the NFL.
NFL scouts don't have too much respect for Clemson HC Dabo Swinney; check this out...
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