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re: NFL Combine RBs
Posted on 3/2/18 at 12:52 pm to imraged
Posted on 3/2/18 at 12:52 pm to imraged
I don't think drafting a RB RD1 is smart. I mean I hope my teams don't grab one. That said, saying Barkley isn't one of, if not the best RB draft prospects is absurd.
To point to YPC in a year is also a dumb metric as well. There are so many different reasons why one guy's YPC is higher than anothers
To point to YPC in a year is also a dumb metric as well. There are so many different reasons why one guy's YPC is higher than anothers
This post was edited on 3/2/18 at 12:54 pm
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Posted on 3/2/18 at 12:53 pm to GenesChin
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Penn State was ranked last in the Big10 in TFL/Sacks every year Barkley was there.
PSU's OL play over the years would make a Sun Belt team blush
Their line was far from horrific recently, and TFL stats arent just on an OL, he routinely made big cut backs and got caught doing that.
Again, if he was truly a cant miss elite player, he would have proudced better over the years.
Not saying he's bad, I think people have just fallen in love with his size and athletcism and forget he's never been an elite producer.
Posted on 3/2/18 at 12:54 pm to LSUFreek
Barkley 2nd run 4.42
Posted on 3/2/18 at 12:54 pm to LSUFreek
Barkley 
Posted on 3/2/18 at 12:55 pm to LSUFreek
Chubb 4.58
Posted on 3/2/18 at 12:56 pm to imraged
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It's certainly possible to get good players at any position in the mid rounds but the rate is considerably higher for rbs.
Depends on your QB imo. If your QB is only average (most teams), a dynamic threat at RB opens everything up so you can still move the ball.
Posted on 3/2/18 at 1:00 pm to thunderbird1100
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Again, if he was truly a cant miss elite player, he would have proudced better over the years.
So are you saying Pro Football Focus isn't good at their jobs for rating him as the #2 RB in CFB last year?
You do realize Adrian Peterson averaged only 5.4 YPC in his career with a season best of 5.7ypc.
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Not saying he's bad, I think people have just fallen in love with his size and athletcism and forget he's never been an elite producer.
In the past 2 years he is
10+ Yds from LOS: #25 2017, #10 2016
20+ Yds from LOS: #4 2017, #9 2016
30+ Yds from LOS: #3 2017, #21 2016
Posted on 3/2/18 at 1:00 pm to Crowknowsbest
As interesting as the underwear Olympics is keep in mind that it isn't always the best way to judge backs.
A certain back a few years ago ran a 4.41, repped 225 32 times, and fly with a 40.5" vert & 132" broad.
He's never rushed more than 600 yards a season in his 4 years in the NFL even though he's had multiple opportunities to win the starting job.
A certain back a few years ago ran a 4.41, repped 225 32 times, and fly with a 40.5" vert & 132" broad.
He's never rushed more than 600 yards a season in his 4 years in the NFL even though he's had multiple opportunities to win the starting job.
This post was edited on 3/2/18 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 3/2/18 at 1:01 pm to Vecchio Cane
Lol, Derrius Guice is certainly a difference maker as well. Get ready to draft him in your dynasty and regular rantasy leagues.
Posted on 3/2/18 at 1:01 pm to Farmer1906
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As interesting as the underwear Olympics is keep in mind that it isn't always the best way to judge backs.
No doubt
Posted on 3/2/18 at 1:02 pm to LSUFreek
Guice 2nd run 4.60
Posted on 3/2/18 at 1:02 pm to GenesChin
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So are you saying Pro Football Focus isn't good at their jobs for rating him as the #2 RB in CFB last year?
PFF ratings are far from a truly infallible measurement system if you knew how they do it. It's human eye test.
And again, not calling him bad, just saying he's being overrated.
And Peterson was an injured mess for 2/3 years in college, bad example. Ran for 2000 yards on like 340 carries his freshman year
This post was edited on 3/2/18 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 3/2/18 at 1:04 pm to thunderbird1100
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And again, not calling him bad, just saying he's being overrated.
I think we will find out next year. I think he's going to be every bit as good as people are projecting.
Posted on 3/2/18 at 1:04 pm to LSUFreek
Michel 2nd run 4.55
Posted on 3/2/18 at 1:07 pm to thunderbird1100
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PFF ratings are from a truly infallible measurement system if you knew how they do it. It's human eye test.
So the human eye test had him leading the country in receiving yards by a RB?
There are plenty of RBs who "produced" less than Barkley who were elite in college and elite in the NFL.
Do you also wonder why QBs who throw for 4500+ yards in college don't get drafted RD 1?
Posted on 3/2/18 at 1:09 pm to GenesChin
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So the human eye test had him leading the country in receiving yards by a RB?
Not sure what that has to do with anything, I think he'll make a good NFL back especially with his receiving ability, but he simply isn't on the elite level of RBs to come out of college carrying the football. Those guys simply had some bigger seasons than he did.
Going over 6 yards per carry is almost becoming routine for a lot of guys now in college.
This post was edited on 3/2/18 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 3/2/18 at 1:10 pm to LSUFreek
Scarborough 2nd run 4.52
Posted on 3/2/18 at 1:10 pm to thunderbird1100
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And again, not calling him bad, just saying he's being overrated.
I mean just how overrated?
#1 Pick/Surefire GOAT he is getting? Ya, I'm with you for sure.
His run game definitely isn't GOAT prospect worthy, but what Barkley provides as a receiver out of the backfield/motion to the slot easily makes him a top 5 pick worthy
This post was edited on 3/2/18 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 3/2/18 at 1:11 pm to GenesChin
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Based on what?
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the best draft prospect at RB in a really long time
based on statements like this. He's the best running back in this class, sure. But the best running back to come out in years? nah. Elliott, Gurley, Fournette, Gordon, etc. shite, as a prospect, Trent Richardson was every bit as impressive at this stage.
This post was edited on 3/2/18 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 3/2/18 at 1:12 pm to thunderbird1100
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but he simply isn't on the elite level of RBs to come out of college carrying the football.
I agree, but we were talking about RB prospect, not just running ability
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