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re: New Round of Expansion

Posted on 7/5/24 at 1:05 pm to
Posted by AllVols
Member since Nov 2022
52 posts
Posted on 7/5/24 at 1:05 pm to
UNC, UVA, FSU, and Clemson.
Posted by NewBOSSofSEC
Member since Jul 2024
251 posts
Posted on 7/5/24 at 1:16 pm to
Clemson is a no for me. Yes they had a few good years of football, but 2 South Carolina schools is too many imo.

UNC and FSU are my preference.
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29311 posts
Posted on 7/5/24 at 1:25 pm to
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The BIG10 wants even numbers


This means absolutely nothing. It makes things easier, but it's irrelevant, especially since divisions are gone. Not a factor whatsoever.

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so their other teams ranked in order are:

1. Notre Dame
2. Texas A&M
3. North Carolina
4. Florida State


I believe they prioritize Notre Dame, and having a presence in Texas or other high population centers, so this makes sense, but if they are smart and I think they are, it's more like:

1. Notre Dame
2. Texas A&M/tu/Oklahoma
3. Florida State
4. UNC/Virginia
5. Miami/Tennessee/Clemson
6. Georgia Tech
7. Another school in Texas. Choices here are limited but if it's a priority, I'd say Tech/SMU/TCU would be good additions.
8. Mizzou/Virginia Tech/NC State
9. Colorado/Arizona/Kansas/Utah

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The BIG10 will try to convince Notre Dame they need to abandon their independence / scheduling agreement with the ACC since Clemson leaving will be the first death blow to the league. That’s why Clemson is first choice. They need Clemson to leave to convince Notre Dame the time to leave the dying ACC is now.


Clemson is not the B1G's first choice, imo. Why would it be? Because of a 4 year run with Dabo? In these situation you have to think of Clemson as identical to South Carolina. Two large public universities in the state of South Carolina. Why in the world would the B1G prioritize that over a large public university in the state of Florida? It wouldn't. Maybe I'm wrong, and Clemson's recent run has helped it's "prestige" in many people's eyes, but just imagine nothing happens for 5 years and in that time Clemson goes 9-3 or 8-4 every year. Is the B1G still clamoring for a school in South Carolina over a school in Florida? I just don't buy it.

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If the Irish remain independent, I think they’ll try to get Aggie to leave the SEC. I think that’s why rumors have been percolating for the past few months.


I would like to know how serious the talks with A&M are and were, and who this source is that keeps popping up, but tu and Oklahoma were going to be in the B1G with USC/UCLA if the SEC said no. They likely had grand ambitions and reached out to A&M as a backup once tu leveraged the B1G offer to Sankey, but I've seen nothing from A&M that would allude to them wanting to leave the SEC. I can't fathom that the Board of Directors would get away with that move, or even want to. The revolt from the fan base would be too great.

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If Texas A&M stays in the SEC, then it becomes a real fight between Florida State and North Carolina. The Seminoles are the better athletic program and would get the BIG10 into Florida which has seen explosive population growth. However, growth in NC is also strong and UNC provides the academic prestige that the BIG10 presidents desire.


First thing you've really said I agree with, but the idea that the B1G would prioritize Clemson over either is weird.

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Part of the hang up with North Carolina is they’ve always had a loose agreement with Virginia that they’d be a package deal together. Will UNC leave Virginia in the dust or stand firm with them and rival Duke to keep the ACC afloat? Who knows.


The B1G would take Virginia. They took Maryland and Rutgers. The DMV is a talent hot bed, and UVA/Virginia Tech would THRIVE in the SEC or B1G. I don't think UNC has any loyalty to Duke or would care. I think the bigger issue there is the shared Board of Directors with NC State.

Read this.

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If all else fails, Florida State is waiting eagerly for an invitation.


They wouldn't be so loud and raucous already suing the ACC if they were simply waiting for others.

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Notre Dame and/or Texas A&M would get full rights / full money.


If A&M did leave, and I legitimately can't fathom it, they would need to be and the B1G would need to pay a lot. It would cost $45 Million for A&M to leave the SEC. It's no longer penalty free.

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I think for Clemson and the other ACC teams, they’d have to take a small cut to be able to come in


They aren't getting enough money in the ACC for them to be greedy, so this is correct, they'd take whatever the B1G gives them.
Posted by bamabaseballsec
Member since Dec 2020
3226 posts
Posted on 7/5/24 at 1:43 pm to
I agree Clemson isn’t first choice for big ten. If I had to guess the big would like nd(prev commissioner Warren even stated so on record) after that I think all eyes are on the southeast and atm. I think Florida st has an offer in hand to join with nd. As 1 and 2. After that atm, they’d like tenner but I think charter sec members are off the table. While atm would have to at least explore the idea of being the bigs Texas brand. I think you’ve undervalued Clemsons appeal to fox(the one who owns media and cuts checks). State of sc is a fast growing market that whose population is highly saturated with cfb fans. Having that brand coupled with wisc Iowa penn st osu Mich(teams that normally don’t watch Clemson) will be ratings bonanza
Posted by 49 to nada
In aggy and gooner heads, rent free
Member since Sep 2023
5290 posts
Posted on 7/5/24 at 1:49 pm to
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We need to shed teams not add them.

Ou Texas aggy and Mizzou
Yes, make the B1G the premier conference with the best tv deals. Smart man you are.

I barely remember the SWC but according to my dad and other oldsters it was the premier conference up until the late 70's or so. Wish we could get that back together, but ain't happening in today's CFB.
This post was edited on 7/5/24 at 1:52 pm
Posted by TejasHorn
High Plains Driftin'
Member since Mar 2007
11587 posts
Posted on 7/5/24 at 1:52 pm to
If the ACC is really raided to the core..

Virginia, VaTech, Duke, NC to the B1G

Clemson, FSU, Miami, GaTech to the SEC.

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the SWC but according to my dad and other oldsters it was the premier conference up until the late 70's or so.


Through the mid 80s really, at least as a national power conference. Most people don’t remember how good SMU was, for example.
This post was edited on 7/5/24 at 2:00 pm
Posted by tickfawtiger
Killian LA
Member since Sep 2005
11509 posts
Posted on 7/5/24 at 1:57 pm to
I believe the EXISTING contracts will have a huge impact on any further expansion[s]...i.e. Sankey and all his mental midgets FAILED to get ANY escalator clauses in the espn/disney deal...so, adding big marquee teams like TX/OK had ZERO financial impact to 'payouts'...whereas the Big10's multi-network deal DOES have that clause included ! The end result of the SEC's blunder was...ZERO additional $ after adding TX/OK...even dangling a 9th SEC conference game did NOTHING to entice espn/disney to 'up' the package compensation ! I don't believe the Big10 was guilty of such a stupendous blunder !
Posted by cyde
He gone
Member since Nov 2005
31877 posts
Posted on 7/5/24 at 2:08 pm to
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Clemson
Have their posters around here gotten any better? If not, then no thanks.
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
38408 posts
Posted on 7/5/24 at 2:09 pm to
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Mizzou and the other expansion members have made the conference better


Posted by Edward Rooney
Member since Jun 2024
269 posts
Posted on 7/5/24 at 2:12 pm to
Hopefully it doesn't happen but I concur.
Posted by ColoradoElkHerd
USA
Member since May 2014
4261 posts
Posted on 7/5/24 at 2:25 pm to
FSU plus one of the others.

VT would fit in well except they are too small a school.
Posted by bamabaseballsec
Member since Dec 2020
3226 posts
Posted on 7/5/24 at 2:58 pm to
I think most Clemson posters here are sidewalk gamecocks
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29311 posts
Posted on 7/5/24 at 3:07 pm to
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I agree Clemson isn’t first choice for big ten. If I had to guess the big would like nd(prev commissioner Warren even stated so on record) after that I think all eyes are on the southeast and atm. I think Florida st has an offer in hand to join with nd. As 1 and 2. After that atm, they’d like tenner but I think charter sec members are off the table. While atm would have to at least explore the idea of being the bigs Texas brand. I think you’ve undervalued Clemsons appeal to fox(the one who owns media and cuts checks). State of sc is a fast growing market that whose population is highly saturated with cfb fans. Having that brand coupled with wisc Iowa penn st osu Mich(teams that normally don’t watch Clemson) will be ratings bonanza


Of the 50 most watched games of the 2023 regular season, Clemson made the list twice. The Florida State game with 6.71 million viewers(24th) on ABC, and the Duke game with 4.39 million(48th). I'd argue the Duke game was a factor of Week 1 and being on a Monday night.

Clemson's game against Notre Dame had 3.24 million viewers.

For comparison:

Notre Dame against Louisville had 5.12 million viewers.
Notre Dame against Duke had 5.32 million viewers.

Clemson's bowl game against Kentucky had 3.43 million viewers. The Liberty Bowl with Iowa State/Memphis out drew it on the same day with 3.60 million viewers.

Clemson is fine, and sure, but I don't think ranking them along with the attractiveness of Miami and Tennessee is unfair, and on second thought it's too favorable, Tennessee is clearly on a tier above them. And sure, South Carolina's population is greater than Alabama's, but to say they would be the first choice over Florida State like the person I responded to is just insanity.
Posted by bamabaseballsec
Member since Dec 2020
3226 posts
Posted on 7/5/24 at 3:25 pm to
I think fsu is first choice I think you’re just confusing Clemsons sec value with thier value to the big ten. Top 16 in Nielsen and 21 in all games(this one is most impressive bc Clemson is bringing most of the eyes to acc games not named fsu) after nd fsu Tex atm I think it’s unc(big president’s preference) and Clemson(network preference)
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29311 posts
Posted on 7/5/24 at 3:25 pm to
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I barely remember the SWC but according to my dad and other oldsters it was the premier conference up until the late 70's or so.


Your dad doesn't really know what he's talking about and is just insanely biased.

Final AP Poll for Southwest Conference - Top 25(Top 10)

1970 - 2(1)
1971 - 2(0)
1972 - 1(1)
1973 - 2(0)
1974 - 3(0)
1975 - 3(2)
1976 - 3(2)
1977 - 2(2)
1978 - 4(2)
1979 - 3(1)

Now Compare:

Final AP Poll for Southeastern Conference - Top 25(Top 10)

1970 - 4(3)
1971 - 6(3)
1972 - 4(3)
1973 - 3(1)
1974 - 5(2)
1975 - 2(1)
1976 - 4(1)
1977 - 2(2)
1978 - 2(1)
1979 - 2(1)

Posted by bamabaseballsec
Member since Dec 2020
3226 posts
Posted on 7/5/24 at 3:28 pm to
Averaging 1.70 million viewers while playing cuse bc wake and two awful non cons will translate very well against brands with big football following
Posted by TrueLefty
St. Louis County
Member since Oct 2017
18296 posts
Posted on 7/5/24 at 3:37 pm to
quote:

Who comes to the SEC from the ACC: Florida St. and Clemson or North Carolina and VT?

I think the save bet is Tulane will be back to the SEC.
Posted by bamabaseballsec
Member since Dec 2020
3226 posts
Posted on 7/5/24 at 3:42 pm to
If it’s all about money then in the end the top 40 teams Maybe a little more are going to form a new league and collectively bargain every big football brand against every media company. The end result will be cfb version of nfl network
Posted by Landmass
Premium Member
Member since Jun 2013
24469 posts
Posted on 7/5/24 at 3:57 pm to
I have a feeling that the B1G's Texas team will be Tech and they'll likely pair it with Okie St or maybe an ACC team.
Posted by LSUfanaddict
somewhere in TX
Member since Apr 2007
2246 posts
Posted on 7/5/24 at 4:03 pm to
Btw, it's B1G.
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