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re: NCAA's Day of Reckoning
Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:55 pm to Box Geauxrilla
Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:55 pm to Box Geauxrilla
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Do people forget that nobody is forcing these student athletes to play? If they felt that it wasn't worth it, they wouldn't do it.
Nobody cares about this shite anymore.
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Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:59 pm to JustGetItRight
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So you hate the idea of poor, mostly black kids getting educations most would never be able to afford. Noted.
So, you love the idea of people not being fairly compensated for their labor? Duly noted.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:59 pm to Rogelio
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College football, in particular, will not be anything like you are used to seeing.
Wow. Alright. So now Saban becomes more of a general manager than a coach? Because the first time he jumps one of these overpaid entitled athletes and they bolt to LSU or Georgia, you'll be singing a different song. The transfer portal will be littered with cry baby free agents.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 3:00 pm to Rogelio
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So, you love the idea of people not being fairly compensated for their labor?
Please tell us, what's the cost of a full ride for 4 years at Bama?
Posted on 6/21/21 at 3:02 pm to Rogelio
I predict this will hurt non-revenue sports and disproportionally harm female athletes.
Less than 1% of NCAA athletes can actually make any money marketing themselves. Uncouple that scholly from a roster spot on the football team and why do we need women's volleyball?
The bottom line is that all of womens athletics and many mens teams lose money. Blow up the NCAA exploitation model that uses the labor of male athletes to underwrite athletic scholarships for women and those probably go away.
Less than 1% of NCAA athletes can actually make any money marketing themselves. Uncouple that scholly from a roster spot on the football team and why do we need women's volleyball?
The bottom line is that all of womens athletics and many mens teams lose money. Blow up the NCAA exploitation model that uses the labor of male athletes to underwrite athletic scholarships for women and those probably go away.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 3:07 pm to Rogelio
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So, you love the idea of people not being fairly compensated for their labor? Duly noted.
Using Florida as an example:
-Room and board.
-Free dental.
-Free healthcare.
-Millions of dollars of coaching.
-Millions of dollars in facilities.
-NFL pipelines.
-Scholarship worth millions if you don't make it.
-Will still keep you if you have a problem that disqualifies you.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/22045053/florida-gators-recruit-randy-russell-heart-condition-stop-playing-football
https://florida.rivals.com/news/randy-russell-named-to-2020-sec-football-community-service-team
In return for the football program, Florida is able to pay for extremely important research centers and give scholarships in other sports where poorer players would never afford to be able to go to school.
If you think that's not fair compensation I need to know how many millions you make as a McDonald's burger line worker.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 3:10 pm to Wildcat1996
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I predict this will hurt non-revenue sports and disproportionally harm female athletes.
Less than 1% of NCAA athletes can actually make any money marketing themselves. Uncouple that scholly from a roster spot on the football team and why do we need women's volleyball?
The bottom line is that all of womens athletics and many mens teams lose money. Blow up the NCAA exploitation model that uses the labor of male athletes to underwrite athletic scholarships for women and those probably go away.
That is why my biggest question with this is how do you reconcile this decision with Title IX. I imagine they are going to change Title IX to adapt to this but I'm not seeing how to do it.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 3:14 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Using Florida as an example:
-Room and board.
-Free dental.
-Free healthcare.
-Millions of dollars of coaching.
-Millions of dollars in facilities.
-NFL pipelines.
-Scholarship worth millions if you don't make it.
-Will still keep you if you have a problem that disqualifies you.
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In return for the football program, Florida is able to pay for extremely important research centers and give scholarships in other sports where poorer players would never afford to be able to go to school.
If you think that's not fair compensation I need to know how many millions you make as a McDonald's burger line worker.
Whilst I am in agreement with your basic point here....I think the deal is why shouldn't Kyle Pitts get more "benefits" (other than his scholarship which is worth say 30K/yr at most right) than Joe Blow practice squad player??? All of the other benefits you mention are available to all the players.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 3:20 pm to LSU316
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Whilst I am in agreement with your basic point here....I think the deal is why shouldn't Kyle Pitts get more "benefits" (other than his scholarship which is worth say 30K/yr at most right) than Joe Blow practice squad player??? All of the other benefits you mention are available to all the players.
Who taught Kyle Pitts?
Who gave him the weightroom to use?
Who gave him his nutritionist?
Who gave him his dorm room to succeed?
Who gave him healthcare when he received a concussion?
Who gave him NFL contacts and a pipeline?
Who spent millions of dollars of an investment for him to be successful?
Other people who are struggling are not your enemy when you're trying to get ahead. He gained the benefits of thousands of players who went to Florida and helped construct something worth going to and he's paving the way for others to do so.
This is a fundamental misunderstanding of Capitalism that many leftists simply never seem to get, and I say that as someone who wants a society with less suffering and poverty:
The people at the top risk their money. Kyle Pitts was a highschooler when they took him in, the University disproportionately takes all of the risk on you because they're pumping literal millions of dollars in order for you to succeed.
Many players don't make it, and the University still pays for them (equally in many ways). You're looking at this through the lens of "Pitts did a lot" rather than "Who is the shareholder who holds all of the risk?"
When Pitts received his concussion, it's possible that the could never play again -- guess what? They keep you at Florida, and they will get you a scholarship if you want to stay and you will have a scholarship worth literal millions that will be pretty much accepted anywhere in the world.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 3:21 pm to LSU316
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I think the deal is why shouldn't Kyle Pitts get more "benefits" (other than his scholarship which is worth say 30K/yr at most right) than Joe Blow practice squad player???
Why should he? Does Kyle Pitts get to show off his skills if the qb never gets him the ball because his OL is crap? What about him only seeing the field for a limited amount of time because the defense can't stop anybody. It's a TEAM sport. Individual accolades are only as good as his teammates.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 3:28 pm to Lg
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Why should he? Does Kyle Pitts get to show off his skills if the qb never gets him the ball because his OL is crap? What about him only seeing the field for a limited amount of time because the defense can't stop anybody. It's a TEAM sport. Individual accolades are only as good as his teammates.
And yet the Cardinals are willing to pay Deandre Hopkins nearly 30 mil/year when he basically has all of the issues you mention above.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 3:29 pm to Rogelio
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So, you love the idea of people not being fairly compensated for their labor? Duly noted.
Maybe you should educate yourself before you go making stupid threads(again).
A scholarship at Alabama costs the university about $125,000 per year. That does not include, an additional roughly $27,000 the players are able to get through various programs they are eligible for legitimately.
The idea these kids aren't well compensated is pushed by dumb fricks who don't understand the value of shite.
Let's compare that to XFL players. Their average salary: $55k.
Of you want to really talk about under compensated, then look at the military. They have to put their lives on the line for 3 years while getting paid what is essentially less than minimum wage, just to get the scholarship part.
If people like you get their way, all you are going to do is remove the opportunity for most people.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 3:29 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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you will have a scholarship worth literal millions that will be pretty much accepted anywhere in the world.
Wait you are telling me that a degree that Kyle Pitts could obtain from UF is going to be worth millions......with him not playing in the NFL?????
Posted on 6/21/21 at 3:30 pm to 3down10
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The idea these kids aren't well compensated is pushed by dumb fricks who don't understand the value of shite.
Right....the players.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 3:31 pm to LSU316
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Wait you are telling me that a degree that Kyle Pitts could obtain from UF is going to be worth millions......with him not playing in the NFL?????
Over the course of many years it shouldn't take a large salary.
I know a former LSU and NFL player who works a day job.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 3:33 pm to 3down10
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Over the course of many years it shouldn't take a large salary.
I know a former LSU and NFL player who works a day job.
Oh you mean like a 150-200K/yr working stiff job...not a set for life job.
Let's call him right now and see if thats good enough.
I'm not saying it shouldn't be enough....I'm just saying that right now these players are entitled but not only entitled over the past few years due to a lot of liberal policies and decisions they have become majorly empowered.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 3:35 pm to 3down10
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A scholarship at Alabama costs the university about $125,000 per year. That does not include, an additional roughly $27,000 the players are able to get through various programs they are eligible for legitimately.
Is that cost the same for all scholarships from football right down to women's soccer???
Also....does it include the Chargers?
I kid. ETA But if it should be "enough"....why are there actual cases (and more rumors) of extra benefits every year. Also, by and large why are fans basically OK with it as long as it isn't egregious?
This post was edited on 6/21/21 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 6/21/21 at 3:36 pm to nicholastiger
quote:Why would the NFL want to change course? They've got it pretty damn good and they aren't paying a dime for colleges to train the annual crop of NFL draftees.
Let's see what college football becomes if the NFL changes course
Posted on 6/21/21 at 3:38 pm to LSU316
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Wait you are telling me that a degree that Kyle Pitts could obtain from UF is going to be worth millions......with him not playing in the NFL?????
Show me you have no idea what an education is worth in a single sentence.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 3:41 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Show me you have no idea what an education is worth in a single sentence.
I can tell you a UF education isn't worth a 1st round pick's signing bonus...that is for damn sure.
ETA The kid could have a good argument that it isn't worth what UF has made off of his talents and likeness while he has been playing college football as well. That's basically what the supreme court said right?
This post was edited on 6/21/21 at 3:43 pm
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